Best "universal" .45acp cartridge for me.

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Hello all. Getting near retirement and trying to get a handle on the "less is more" concept, and of course the wife suggests that it should really apply to the firearms, and to be truthful, she's probably right, although shes not going to hear it from me. I'm listing my .45 acp guns below and here's the question. I want to adopt one commercially available round that will be the most useful for plinking and self defense should it come to it. Trying to get a handle on simplifing ammo.

Colt 1911 Series 70
Ruger Backhawk
Ruger Vaquero
Glock 36
1917 S&W

Now there's a diverse group if I ever saw it. Now give me the "universal" cartridge
 
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I'd have to agree.

230 FMJ will feed reliably in about any semiauto.

Easy to drop into chambers in the SA's one at a time, & moonclips in the 1917 without hanging up.

And thats what the fixed sight guns are sighted in with.

rc
 
Do you reload?

I've found that the round I reach for most is the 225 grain lead flat point round because it feeds well, is relatively cheap and very easy to reload. On the other hand, the ones I dig up from time to time in my targets seem to smush just fine.

As for well, "commercially available" ammo the 230 grain RN does seem to do the trick just fine.

I guess I am wondering why you're picking just one round when you can just buy whatever people have. 8)
 
I would also think the 230 gr FMJ would be the round to use.
 
lastditch,
I have carried a Glock-36 and shoot several 1911's in 45 ACP. As we age our choice of carry gun aalsio changes. I finally opted for a Kahr PM-9 i apocket holster and shoot a number of 9mm including two 1911's, a HGlock-17, S&W-99, S&W M&P9 and a PO18-9. You can obtain a wide assortment of ammunition for plinking, target and self defense use. That\'s the choice I made as I got on in years.
 
If the autos will run on it, I like the 185s a lot but 230s as stated time and again above are a great "stone axe standard" for many people and I'm a fan of them as well - just more so for the 185s.
 
I want to adopt one commercially available round that will be the most useful for plinking and self defense should it come to it.

I only have one of your listed guns and a 4566 and to be honest I can't find 1 cartridge to do both and not bust the budget.

A 230gr FMJ is a no brainer for plinking but I don't like the bargain brands for SD and finding a higher quality ball round without spending a fortune is difficult.

The cheapest I've found in a do all is WWB in 230gr JHP at $29.00 a box it's almost twice what I pay for the cheapie plinking but less than the $1.00 + a round SD stuff I've bought.
 
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Having experienced the same thought process as the OP and for the same reasons, I also came to the same conclusion - 230 grain hardball. I'll use hollowpoints and truncated cones but hardball is the standard and the stockpile.
 
230gr. FMJ will function more readily in most semiautos, does well on center of mass hits, is found everywhere and costs less than h.p. ammo.

can be used for self defense, hunting, target shooting.
 
If you buy your ammo then the basic and much tested 230gn FMJ hardball would be the way to go for the lion's share of the stock. For HD you may want to pickup and test some HP rounds enough to trust them.

If you reload then I'd simply pickup whatever bullets you find on sale and use 'em all. It's amazing what you can find at the gun swaps. The semi autos may prefer one or two different types but you can shoot anything out of the revolvers. So buy up all those bullets with bad reputations for mis-feeding for cheap and load 'em up with a Scotsman's smile for the thrifty old curmudgeon we are.... :D
 
I want to adopt one commercially available round that will be the most useful for plinking and self defense should it come to it.
I think trying to pick one cartridge for SD and plinking with the idea of saving a little money is false economy. Good SD ammo is too expensive for most of us to use for plinking, and personally my life and the lives of my loved ones are worth too much to take a chance with cheap FMJ ammo. Just buy a box of the good stuff to keep loaded for SD, and a box of inexpensive practice ammo like Winchester White Box for plinking.
 
The obvious choice is 230 gr hardball.

But I have to say 45acp is without a doubt the most versatile round to reload. If you stick with commercial rounds you are missing out.

1911 - From 185 grain mouse fart loads to 230 grain wammer jammer loads. A 1911 will shoot anything.
With 200 grain swc being the most accurate for me by far.

Blackhawk - heavy hunting loads ?

Vaquero - Light round nosed lead rounds ?

Glock 36 - Hornady 185 XTP (the best in mine by far)

1917 S&W - I have no idea. But that is the fun isn’t it?

Steve
 
It would really do you a lot more favors to have a plinking and a defense round. Federal HST only comes in 230 grain, I think that says a lot about the designer's thoughts on the matter. It is a pretty reasonably priced defense bullet, but it's usually best/easiest to order it online. No big deal, buy five boxes and you've made shipping a non-issue and you'll have plenty to find out if you like it.

The goals for defense ammo and plinking ammo are just too different. You don't have to spend a dollar a round to get the best defense bullets available, but you also can't grab the cheapest thing out there and be totally well served. There is a reason people continue to use JHP, and it's not because they do more damage than 'normal' bullets, it's because they are a much better piece of equipment for the task of defense against other people.

And you don't want to spend any more than you have to on range ammo, so why try to run nothing but JHP of even the generic flavor through your pistols?
 
Since you're nearing retirement you're going to have a lot of time on your hands. Set up for reloading and you can shoot for around half the price of commercial ammo.

But if you want to keep spending $30+/100 just go with the 230gr FMJ.
 
230 gr hardball. Remember the 1911 pistol was developed specifically to knock down the Moro tribesmen in the Philippine Islands, and the 230 gr RN bullet was deemed the best round for that purpose. I don't think that opinion has changed that much in the ensuing 100-plus years since its introduction. That's what I carry in my 1911A1 today.
 
I second mdauben's post.

I wouldn't stake my life on cheap plinking ammo. How often do you really shoot your carry ammo?

You don't absolutely need to keep a giant stockpile of it, maybe a few boxes. Stockpile cheap range ammo, and buy two or three boxes of SD stuff.
 
Remember the 1911 pistol was developed specifically to knock down the Moro tribesmen in the Philippine Islands, and the 230 gr RN bullet was deemed the best round for that purpose. I don't think that opinion has changed that much in the ensuing 100-plus years since its introduction.
Don't forget that at the time the 1911 was adopted, the military was restricted by international treaty from using soft nose or hollow point ammo, which is the real reason they used (and still do) FMJ.

These days, most modern autoloaders are designed to handle JHP ammo, and few knowledgeable people will disagree that FMJ is inferior to JHP for self-defense in any reasonable caliber.
 
230 gr hardball. Remember the 1911 pistol was developed specifically to knock down the Moro tribesmen in the Philippine Islands, and the 230 gr RN bullet was deemed the best round for that purpose. I don't think that opinion has changed that much in the ensuing 100-plus years since its introduction. That's what I carry in my 1911A1 today.


You're mixing up an awful lot of military and industrial history there. Round nose bullets were all that was available, in two flavors, lead and copper-jacketed. Nobody decided to go with round nose bullets, it was a manufacturing and technical reality that any pistol would be loaded with a round nosed solid bullet. Even the spitzer-type rifle bullet had only been invented what, twenty years or less earlier?

And the Army wanted what it wanted because we still had cavalry, and field-expedient euthanasia was something that had to be accounted for. On top of that, wound ballistics was a basically nonexistent field. So the bullet was what it was because there was no other option. It was in .45 caliber because that's what the last cavalry weapon was in, and the lesson learned in the Phillipines was that you need to shoot aggressive warriors more than once, not that you need a bigger gun.

I believe the 1911 was developed some years after we shot our last Moro, by the way. If the same technical, medical, and ballistics information was available to 1908, the 1911 would probably be a 15+ round pistol chambered in a round that would look an awful lot like 9mm, and we might even have a service cartridge tipped with a JHP.

Or we would end up with something like the 7.62mm M14, a weapon that is an incremental improvement over the predecessor, a cartridge that's a little closer to right, but a wasted opportunity to make some real advances.
 
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