Best way to change workplace policy?

[jsimmons]

If the parking lot does not have controlled access (by "controlled", I mean a guard at the entrance/exit), and if you're not subject to a "random search" when you enter the parking lot, why should it bother you what corporate policy is? As long as you don't unconceal it, who's gonna know?

I work on a military base in Texas, and cannot risk it due to the possibility of a random search. If it weren't for the random search thing, I'd sure as hell carry onto the base.

BTW, they can't have you arrested for breaking company policy (unless the activity in question is a violation of civil law) , but they can terminate your employment. That's the worse they can do.

Alternatively, if you don't want to violate company policy, don't park in the company lot.

 

[jsimmons]

All of these people who advocate breaking a company's policy while on their property are advocating activities that border on being illegal in some locales. Their misguided justifications to suit their own ends is amazingly hypocritical to what they expect from others.

As long as he's not breaking an actual law (legally allowed to have a gun, and legally allowed to have it in his car), his only risk is having his employment terminated IF corporate finds out.

I worked for a company that shared a parking lot with other retail businesses. After I was hired, they published an "employee handbook" that prohibited firearms in cars because the parking lot was part of their "premises", and that they claimed to have the right to randomly search my car. I challenged on the grounds that a) the definition of "premises in Texas" specifically excludes parking lots, and b) the parking lot was shared and had no controlled access, much less any kind of roving patrol, so anybody could conceivably come along and put something in it. I also stated that as long as my car had the windows rolled up and was locked, I had a reasonable expectation of privacy, and the only way they would gain access to it was via a search warrant served by an officer of the court. I also stated that the parking lot clause was absolutely pointless because we could park just one spot further away and be in front of the business next-door. They struck the clauses. I did this even though at the time my workday was spent on a military base and I couldn't car-carry anyway.

The manual also stated that we couldn't have guns while working for the company (in the location in which we were working), and I challenged that as well based on the fact that I often worked *for the company* from home, and they could not infringe on my 2nd amendment rights to keep arms at home. They eventually changed this clause to say "pursuant to the controlling entity and/or owner of the work location".

 

[Russell76]

on the verge of changing policy!

I am looking for help on creating an exemption to my employer's weapons policy. I have discussed this with the president and he is willing to grant an exemtion but I have to present him with a suggested "exemption letter".

I'm not neccessarily interested in carrying concealed on my person. But I would like to avoid ruling it out.

My primary intent is to carry my hunting rifle in a company vehicle. I am in sales and drive a company vehicle everyday of the week and after normal work hours. I am willing to keep the rifle storaged in a case, even locked if needed. But I hope to create an "exemption letter" that does not restrict me any more than absolutely neccessary.

If you are willing to help me word such a letter PM me. Thanks!

 

[B1gGr33n]

I'm in the "concealed is concealed" and "keep your trap shut!" club. My current employer has no mention of such things being banned, so I'm comfortable discussing that I own guns with my coworkers because they do as well, but to the best of my knowledge I'm the only PTC. My previous employer had very similar policy to the OP, which I basically ignored while I was there since MN has laws allowing you to keep a firearm in your car, so if they wanna fire me for having one, it might as well be on me. Worst case, I get fined $25 for trespassing if I take too long to pack. I did manage to run into a few coworkers from the former job at the gun range about a month before I left, and was pleasantly surprised to learn I wasn't the only one in the aforementioned clubs, so keep your eyes open next time you go out shooting or to the LGS.

 

[halogrinder]

i was terminated from my last employment due to a punk who didn't like me and knew i carried.


funny thing, was the fixed operations manager, and 2-3 other people carried daily as well.

meh. I'm responsible, and had it secured. its not like i was walking around like Yosemite sam for god's sake!

stupid politics. i knew i was breaking the company policy. i felt that me being terminated was better than not being able to protect myself in a VERY high crime are in a major metropolitan downtown. we have had to chase out bums with pry bars, threaten them to leave, seen cops run right through the middle of the property chasing people.


the funny thing, is i can probably say that i have run into WELL OVER 200 hand guns and weapons in a 10 year period without even thinking about it.

pull car in, need to work on center console, find a gun, throw it on the floor, fix the problem, put it all back. it was a weekly thing.

pull a car in, find the seat isnt working right, find a handgun jammed up in the seat tracks, yank it out and throw it in the center console/trunk/glove box.


hell i tackled a guy who was running from the cops, just because he literally was running right at me.... i really had no choice due to the location i was in.


i had my big boy pants on, and left a job i had for 10 years within an hour. they highest paid tech, highest efficiency, and lead tech of a shop of 30........ i had my toolbox and all my stuff gone, thew my deuces up and got my handgun back from the cops they called (which i told them they had no right to confiscate my handgun, because i wasn't breaking any laws, but surrendered it until i got off the property)


people who do dumb stuff like that (he is such a hypocrite, we built AK47's there, and other gun related stuff, and it had been like that for years) have a special place in hell on the KARMA bus.