BETTER GUNS: How many could make do with a .30 Carbine?

[USSR]

The little carbine is one of the most natural pointing firearms I have ever used. That is important when getting on target quickly with repeatable accuracy is needed as in a self defense situation.

+1. Couple that with a red dot, or in my case an EoTech, and you have a firearm capable of very rapid target acquisition.

Don

 

[rori]

I carried and used an M2 ONCE on a mission and never took one out again!!!!! Just wont knock people down fast enough and if it wont work on people it sure wont work on deer or B/bear.

 

[baylorattorney]

Box of 50 can be had for around $20 more, or less. That's pistol ammo cost.

That's because it is a pistol in the form of rifle. At least that was what the military was looking for and it is what the designer ( a man doing time in the penitentiary?) came up with.

I like it for hogs and want to buy another one.


Mark, esquire

 

[Carl N. Brown]

.30 carbine fills the same niche as the .32-20 leveraction rifle.

 

[JRH6856]

At least that was what the military was looking for and it is what the designer ( a man doing time in the penitentiary?) came up with.

Not quite. David Marshall "Carbine" Williams, designed and patented the short-stroke tappet gas piston system used in the M1 Carbine while serving time in North Carolina for 2nd Degree Murder. He did not conceive of, or design, the M1 Carbine. That he did is largely a Hollywood myth. He was paroled from prison and went to work for Winchester where his short-stroke design was applied to a a Browning prototype .30-06 M2 rifle to resolve loading problems. The rifle was subsequently scaled down to produce the prototype for the M1 Carbine. Williams also designed and patented the floating chamber system use in the Colt ACE .22 and ACE .22 conversjion kits for the 1911.

 

[4thestars]

I believe I could make do with an M1 Carbine. As long as I can still have my 1911.

If I can have both, I am a very, very happy gal.

 

[Onmilo]

Six pages tells you something about the M1 Carbine.
Love them or hate them, the guns are still a force to be reckoned with!

 

[gwarslayer]

bruce my dad killed a deer with a .30 carbine blackhawk up here in northern maine took to rounds but he got it and got into the big bucks 230lbs dressed with handgun doing so. it took 2 rounds but he did it they guys at the tagging station couldnt believe it so the found the little 110 fmjs and confirmed he was telling the truth.

i know maybe bit luck was on his side but it will certainly put 2 legged critters down

 

[goon]

It would depend on the situation. For self defense and crisis preparedness type stuff, I think a reliable carbine with enough spare magazines and ammo would do fine.
If I have to include hunting anything the size of deer or bigger in "get by" I'd prefer a little more gun.

 

[Onmilo]

We all have to remember that in many states, the .30 Carbine will not meet the power factor to be legal to hunt with in that state and some states like Illinois preclude using any rifle of this type for deer hunting.

However, we do have wild dog packs and some fairly aggressive groups of coyote.
Coyote are not pack type animals but they will group together for the chance to take down larger game.
After the kill, they disband and go their seperate ways.
For these type critters, a .30 Carbine is quite sufficient.

Again, for a person in an urban setting who does not hunt, the .30 Carbine is plenty sufficient for dealing with the roving packs of anmials one may encounter in that setting as well.

It sounds messy and unfair, but in a SHTF setting with the carbine owner low on ammo, the recourse is to shoot another and seize their weapon and ammo or fall in with a group that will provide or trade for another weapon of which sufficient ammunition stocks are available.

 

[gwarslayer]

As far as these post of people that have been in combat zones or have a friend that has etc. And they say it works or don't work. I had similar experience not with the m1 carbine of course I'm to young only 29 but i did serve in Iraq in 2003 and again in 2006-2007. And all of us had diff opinions on the weapons available to us. M16a2. m4, m249, m240b, m240e, m60, mk19,varies rocket launchers etc even the m9. But that's what it is all a matter of opinion. If you like it and feel comfortable with it use it, there is no perfect weapon system for everyone. Even the guys hoarding ar15's might be in for a surprise, when they cant get ammo because the military hoards it all and maybe the guy with the carbine will have a **** load or the other way around. you never know. Keep an open mind. The best thing would be world peace and if all this money we waste on war was put into research and technology for free energy and to improve the human race we would probably be 200 years advance beyond what we are now. I don't intend to sound like a hippie or anti-gun I have my own stash my self. Just wish I didn't have most of it stashed to defend myself because of this world we live in.

 

[gwarslayer]

Yes also follow your local laws here in maine they alow a 22mag to be used on deer. Dont ask me why I dont know. But as I said before my father killed a 230lbs dressed deer up here in patten,Maine with a ruger blackhawk .30 carbine 7 1/2 barrel. And you can take that to the bank. 2 shots

 

[bigfatdave]

why is "deer hunting" considered a measure of a gun?
Perhaps I want to hunt bunnies or defend against wildcats, perhaps I'm hunting feral livestock in the aftermath of a disaster, or perhaps I intend to use my Carbine as a defensive tool and leave all hunting to small game with a much quieter rimfire? (probably the 10/22 mocked up as an M1 Carbine, or the PMR30, or a Ruger target pistol or whatever I can scrounge)

I don't care about using every gun as a deer gun, and I care even less about what some paper-pushing desk-jockey thinks about what is or isn't suitable for hunting.

 

[velocette]

BFD;
I think that the yardstick of using a weapon for deer is at the same time,but more politely,saying that the weapon will be effective on a 200 lb thin skinned animal that may be endangering the shooters health & safety. Fact is that the.30 carbine was designed & built specifically to shoot 200 lb thin skinned bipods. The .30 carbine IS effective on any 200 lb thin skinned animal, especially so when loaded with softpoint ammo.
Nothing that I've read in the previous 137 posts has taken away from the little carbine its light weight, minimal recoil, minute of man accuracy and little muzzle blast. So what we have is a handy rifle that just plain works well doing its intended job. And is capable of killing a deer or a dear.

:- )
Roger

 

[JRH6856]

capable of killing a deer or a dear.

Or a deer or a not-so-dear?

 

[bigfatdave]

If "deer" is just another variant on "shootin' people but not saying it" then I'd buy it. But that doesn't address the constant references to various hunting regulations in various obscure states.

(seriously, I don't care about IL regulations on just about any subject, particularly gun issues)

 

[bigfatdave]

If I wanted to waste the time attempting to decipher your posts, I assume I'd find some kind of insult in there, gwarslayer?

Stick around, maybe being here means you aren't out being an embarrassment elsewhere.

 

[mgkdrgn]

I'll go with mine .... but can I bring my Ruger Blackhawk in 30 cal carbine and my AutoMag III too?

 

[bigfatdave]

You sure do take a lot of posts to say nothing and be a drama queen.

Does that work elsewhere? It just makes you look silly here.

 

[Mickey Rat]

I could easily "make do" with the Carbine. Light weight, easy handling and reliability make it an easy choice. I have 2 30 cal, a 256 Win Mag Ferret and a 5.7 Johnson.