Biggest "surprise" at your CCW class

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The biggest surprise at my class was the number of people who would open fire on an intruder in their house upon sight.

The scenario was... you wake up from a noise... Find a man, holding something in his hand, running through your living room... what do you do?

A lot of people would have just shot.

The information withheld from the scenario... the man was your teenage daughters unarmed boy friend holding his i-pod trying to get out before you caught him.

A surprising number of people stated they didn't care and that if they were in their home at night uninvited then they deserved to be shot.
 
Biggest surprise at my CCW class? Hmmm.....the "criminal-looking" element taking the class.

Racist much?
Criminal looking? Most likely based on the way they were dressed.

The fact that you immediately jumped on the racist bandwagon strongly indicates a capacity for projection that would quite nicely drop you into the racist category; whereas the individual you are criticizing very likely made his judgement based upon objective factors the individual he was judging had complete control over vis a vis clothing.

Don't want to be categorized as a criminal looking type then don't dress like one.

Of course there is a possibility that the poster did judge based on race but his choice of words make that unlikely IMO.

It seems most likely that the real racist here is Dark Knight.
 
The biggest surprise at my class was the number of people who would open fire on an intruder in their house upon sight.

The scenario was... you wake up from a noise... Find a man, holding something in his hand, running through your living room... what do you do?

A lot of people would have just shot.

The information withheld from the scenario... the man was your teenage daughters unarmed boy friend holding his i-pod trying to get out before you caught him.

A surprising number of people stated they didn't care and that if they were in their home at night uninvited then they deserved to be shot.

IMO, people talk it up. many of those, when actually faced with it, would not fire. They get this glory version if the BG dressed up with an AK or some image like that. Then when they get to the door and it is a 17 yr old kid with no discernible weapon kicking their door in, or a loud crash that brings them out of a deep sleep at 2 am, or just a human-like shape in the dark in their home, they would not be so trigger happy.

I have never had these things happen to me. I have heard stories from some who have. The 1 thing ALL of them tell you is it is nothing like they envisioned it. You really never know you will pull the trigger until you are there making a life and death decision and if you are it will likely be nothing like what you envisioned it would be.

We did have those folks too though. IMO, if everyone who talked like that were really that trigger happy, we would have a LOT more shootings.
 
You really never know you will pull the trigger until you are there making a life and death decision and if you are it will likely be nothing like what you envisioned it would be.


Maybe not, but if you plan on using a firearm to protect yourself you better have thought through in advance the protocol (be it for legal or moral reasons or both) for when it is right to shoot another human being. Speaking for myself, the taking of another person's life is a grave issue indeed and pulling the trigger on a miscreant would be justified only if my life or limb or that of an innocent other is at stake-and that would preclude me,say, dropping the hammer on a burglar with my toaster under his arm as he's leaving the premises.
 
Interesting, Ky CCW qualification only requires you hit paper with 11 shots out of 20 at 3 yards.

The NC regs are 15 out of the 35. IMO though they should be 35 out of 35 or at least 34 to give someone a break, but 15 out of 35 when 20 of those are 7 ft or closer, that is almost comical.
 
Alabama doesn't require qualification. After the time I spent in the handgun safety class that my local sheriff's office offers for free, I almost wish Alabama did have a requirement that you at least know how to shoot what your carrying.

These people shows up, primarily, with either brand spanking new pistols, or some that were so old and neglected I'd be scared to fire it. Everyone in attendence was already licensed to ccw.
 
The NC regs are 15 out of the 35. IMO though they should be 35 out of 35 or at least 34 to give someone a break, but 15 out of 35 when 20 of those are 7 ft or closer, that is almost comical.
Probably the same qual specs as the cops have to meet...
 
Is there not an "average joe" element to the Canadian population that would concern you? It's good to know that you formed your opinion based on some things you read here and there on the internet, but it hardly seems to be a problem in real life. If you get concealed carry in Canada like we have here, I would look forward to reading about Canada's "big bunch of losers".
Lol, you sound just like one of these losers. I bet you don't know **** about canadian gun owners and laws.
 
^ I do know that I hope and pray that the United States gun laws never go the way of Canada. I am also thankful for the fact that we are allowed to CC here.
 
artiz said:
Lol, you sound just like one of these losers. I bet you don't know **** about canadian gun owners and laws.

Very classy Artiz, resort to childish name calling. Way to take the High Road.

I honestly couldn't care less about Canadian gun laws. Did I make an incorrect statement regarding them? Didn't think so.

Maybe this is a case of concealed carry envy, you may never know if you are one of your so-called "losers" in a concealed carry class or not.
 
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The biggest surprise at my class was the number of people who would open fire on an intruder in their house upon sight.

The scenario was... you wake up from a noise... Find a man, holding something in his hand, running through your living room... what do you do?

A lot of people would have just shot.

The information withheld from the scenario... the man was your teenage daughters unarmed boy friend holding his i-pod trying to get out before you caught him.

A surprising number of people stated they didn't care and that if they were in their home at night uninvited then they deserved to be shot.

IMO, people talk it up. many of those, when actually faced with it, would not fire. They get this glory version if the BG dressed up with an AK or some image like that. Then when they get to the door and it is a 17 yr old kid with no discernible weapon kicking their door in, or a loud crash that brings them out of a deep sleep at 2 am, or just a human-like shape in the dark in their home, they would not be so trigger happy.

I have never had these things happen to me. I have heard stories from some who have. The 1 thing ALL of them tell you is it is nothing like they envisioned it. You really never know you will pull the trigger until you are there making a life and death decision and if you are it will likely be nothing like what you envisioned it would be.

We did have those folks too though. IMO, if everyone who talked like that were really that trigger happy, we would have a LOT more shootings.

A pleasant surprise during our class was an appearance by Mr. Joe Horn.

The take-home from his talk was that once youhave ID'd the threat, you shoot - because if you hesitate they will shoot.

The way to prepare for the "daughters boyfriend running across the living room" is to be proficient with a flash light and your sidearm and to know that youdon't shoot what you can't see and ID.

That way you won't mistake your teenage daughters boyfriend carrying an iPod for an intruder holding your toaster.
 
15 out of 35 on paper at 3 yards! You should be able to keep them all in at least the 8 ring at that distance.

The last 5 were at 3 FT!! The only way I could think of to miss would have been to shoot myself.

Ohhh and here is something REAL scary....I fired a total of 35 rounds at my target. I am 100% positive of that. When I got my target back, there were 36 holes.
 
When I got my target back, there were 36 holes.

That is scary. That has happened to me before but it was at 11yards. I also purposefully put a whole through the bullseye of an older lady who was shooting next to me and was having problems keeping all of her shots on paper. I probably should not have done it because it is strictly against range rules but I felt bad for her.
 
It was scary counted it 3 times to be sure. What REALLY bugs me is the nearest guy shooting a caliber big enough to blend in with mine was 2 stalls over (I had a 40). The guy next to me had a 22. It really scared the hell out of me how far off he had to be even at the farthest shot to hit my target. If he was shooting at the broadside of a barn, he would have missed the barn completely.
 
An older black lady who said she had a glock 17 with (3) 33 round magazines, when the instructor asked us what our primary handguns were.

Not stereotyping, but the majority of black people are rabidly anti-gun, this gal was quite a surprise.:)
 
and to know that youdon't shoot what you can't see and ID.

That is the key lesson from the "shotgun failed to fire" thread. Expert gun owners do not guess, do not assume, do not fire blind. It does not matter if the goblin is kicking the door or breaking the glass. The professional owner will not fire until the target is ID'd and acquired. Don't fire until you know for certain what you will hit. Basic rule that prevents accidental shootings.

It is a great and deep disappointment to me to see so many owners here saying, "Fire through the door!" That is not HR. You don't fire on an unidentified target. When you acquire the target, you are certain of you backstop. It's the target.
 
The biggest surprise was when I fired 50 rounds from my Detonics Scoremaster that ripped one ragged hole in the center of the target, while the other participants rattled their rounds all over.

When the targets were pulled in, the other participants gathered around to look at the hole in my target and one guy said "Man, what in the hell are you shooting that does that!".........and in a cool and collected tone, I simply replied "It's not the Arrow, it's the Indian".

Tony Rumore
Tromix Corp
 
The sweep of CCW across the US and the number licenses issued has been very closely watched by hostile print and broadcast media. The fact that we have not seen or read about all these, incompetent, people shooting them selves or slaughter scores of bystanders. Would indicate that these people are doing ok. I would like to see them all become good shots but the most important thing to learn is when to use deadly force.
 
Lol, you sound just like one of these losers. I bet you don't know **** about canadian gun owners and laws.

How much does it cost you to bring a gun into America? How much does it cost me to bring a gun into Canada? Yeah, I know all I want to about your laws. :rolleyes:
 
Bringing Guns Into Canada

The Canadian government is warning Americans bringing firearms across the border, or even borrowing guns while in Canada, that the new Canadian Firearms Act applies equally to visitors. :banghead:

Canada's tough new gun control law, which took effect Jan. 1, 2001, requires individuals to obtain licenses to posses or purchase either guns or ammunition. By Jan. 1, 2003, registration of all guns in Canada will be required. The Firearms Act regulations apply to the importing, exporting, possession, use, storage, display and transportation of all firearms, and are in effect across the country.

As of January 1, 2001, the procedures for bringing firearms into Canada, or for borrowing firearms while in Canada, change as a result of mandatory license requirements for all firearms owners and users in Canada.

Canadian firearms laws severely restrict the types of guns persons can legally posses. In addition, the laws apply equally to both Canadian citizens and to anyone bringing or shipping guns into Canada, or borrowing guns while in Canada. :neener:

Under the Canadian Firearms Act, the three classes of firearms are:

Non-restricted (most ordinary rifles and shotguns);
Restricted (mainly handguns); and :eek:
Prohibited (full automatics, converted automatics, handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (approx. 4") or less, and .25 or .32 caliber handguns among others). :fire:

Bringing Guns Into Canada

Prohibited guns, or replicas of prohibited guns cannot be taken into Canada. No exceptions.

To bring a Restricted gun into Canada, you must be 18-years of age or older and acquire an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from a provincial or territorial Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) before you arrive at the point of entry into Canada. You cannot get an ATT for purposes of hunting or self-protection.

To bring Non-Restricted guns into Canada, you must be 18-years of age or older, declare your guns at your first point of entry, complete a Non-resident Firearms Declaration form in triplicate, have it confirmed by a customs officer and pay a $50 (Canadian funds) fee.

Once confirmed, the Non-resident Firearms Declaration will act as a temporary license and registration certificate while in Canada and is valid for 60 days. Visitors may renew their temporary license any time during a 12-month period without paying an additional fee. Unlicensed non-residents who plan to borrow a firearm in Canada must obtain a Temporary Borrowing License.

Visitors will be able to purchase ammunition with Canadian firearms license, a confirmed firearms declaration form or a Temporary Borrowing License.

Additional laws apply to non-residents who purchase or borrow guns in Canada, to persons importing guns into Canada, and to use and possession of guns by minors while in Canada.

Complete information on Canadian firearms laws for residents and visitors, as well as fee lists and all required forms can be found on the Canadian Firearms Centre Web site at: http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/Default-en.html
 
Very classy Artiz, resort to childish name calling. Way to take the High Road.

I honestly couldn't care less about Canadian gun laws. Did I make an incorrect statement regarding them? Didn't think so.

Maybe this is a case of concealed carry envy, you may never know if you are one of your so-called "losers" in a concealed carry class or not.
Childish name calling? I think you need to get back to school and get an education. You don't even understand the meaning of my post, which is pretty darn clear actually, that says it all.

While you're at it, read the post just above this one, it will do you good. It talks about canadian gun laws. (I know you won't read it anyway, you're sooo awesome)
Don't forget to click on the link, this one too will educate you.
 
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artiz said:
Childish name calling? I think you need to get back to school and get an education. You don't even understand the meaning of my post, which is pretty darn clear actually, that says it all.

While you're at it, read the post just above this one, it will do you good. It talks about canadian gun laws. (I know you won't read it anyway, you're sooo awesome)
Don't forget to click on the link, this one too will educate you.

No, I got the gist of your post. You called me a loser and went on a random tangent about me not knowing Canadian gun laws. What does that have to do with Canadians being "wayyy" safer while CCing than Americans? I already told you I couldn't care less about your gun laws, did you not understand that?

Back up your statement about Canadians being "wayyy" safer while CCing and we can talk. I doubt very much that you will be able to do that though as it will be all but hypothetical. Let me know when you (or anyone for that matter) have had a chance to concealed carry up in Quebec City, until then, au revoir.
 
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