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Carry Class / CCW Badges

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by frankcostanza, Sep 21, 2008.

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  1. frankcostanza

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    I just took my carry class yesterday at the Williamson County sheriffs dept. The class was excellent, and I would highly recommend it to anyone in the Nashville area who is looking at getting their HCP. Anyways, one thing that the instructors (who are all current or former deputies) kept talking about is the CCW badges that are so often flamed on this site. They actually recommended them, and had some for sale! I was quite surprised, but what they had to say did make sense. They cited several examples of times that people had diffused a potentially dangerous situation by making the badge visible. Regardless, I didnt buy one and I still am of the mindset that the badges arent a great idea but I did find it unusual that these LEO's and former LEO's were so keen on the idea of someone basically trying to impersonate a cop. I know we have discussed the badges at length, but I dont ever remember hearing about CCW instructors actually endorsing them. Anyone else have a similar experience?
     
  2. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    That about sums it up. They were saying what they needed to say to sell you something. The overwhelming opinion of people who aren't trying to come between you and your money is that CCW badges are a bad idea.
     
  3. romma

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    I would like to see some proof in the media with an old article somewhere with the headline "CCW Badge Saves Permit Holder"...

    Not buying it for a split second.
     
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    In fact, I bet in some areas carrying that kind of badge could get you in HOT water for "impersonating" a police officer!

    Q
     
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    Sounds like a good laugh to be enjoyed by the LEO's off duty... when they are at the bar spending the extra money they just made. :neener:
     
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    Just yesterday I had the same question come up in my CCW class. For the 400th time I ticked off the reasons why it's probably not a good idea.
    Reason #1:

    THE FEWER PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, THE BETTER!

    Ahem, sorry for shouting. Aside from all the problems with being mistaken for a police officer, the temptation to flash the badge to get out of a situation leads to disclosing the fact that you have a concealed weapon, which DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING YOUR WEAPON CONCEALED! Sorry, I was shouting again, didn't mean to.

    Really, people who don't like you can cause you endless problems if they know you carry concealed. Don't tell your neighbors, don't tell your friends(unless you have to because you're carrying at their house and you're required to by law), and don't tell anybody who doesn't really, really, really need to know.

    Rookie cops are prone to this syndrome too(telling people they're cops), but most get over it about the 100th someone asks them a "favor" because they're a police officer. Don't put yourself in that position, please.

    I'm really surprised these guys would push badges on y'all. :scrutiny:
     
  7. frankcostanza

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    Well, about half of the class of 25 bought a badge, and at 50 and 60 bucks a pop.... well thats a nice little beer fund theyve got going. ;)
     
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    Sadly, that tells me all I need to know... :banghead:
     
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    Have you ever heard anyone say: "I have these things for sale, but I don't recommend them"?

    Pretty sleazy.
     
  10. romma

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    Who paid $50, and who paid $60?

    For $60 I suppose you get the "Gold Shield Detective Model"...

    You may even get to be part of the post incident investigation if you have to use your firearm while carrying your "shield"...
     
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    50% fools, thats probably an average cross section of society, one half fools.

    Did they sell the neck chain badge carrier too? That would really top off the whole thing, to wear a CCW badge on a neck chain or on your waist.
     
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    It's actually worse than that. If you talk to LEOs--perhaps one will back me up on this--they have been taught that, in particular, one type of offender likes "official" badges that are modeled after LE badges.

    That offender type is a child sexual predator, who uses the badge to dupe the kid (much easier to dupe a kid than an adult with this ploy).

    Also, I think that the LEOs (again--please speak up if I'm wrong) are NOT any more impressed if you show them a badge AND a permit; and are unlikely to be soothed if you show them your CCW "badge," but, "gosh, I musta left my license at home--but the badge is good enough, right?" :uhoh:

    Daddy, get your baby outta jail!
     
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    Free market economy at work.

    I had a boss once that told me that the key to sales isn't getting people to buy things they want & need, they'll do that on their own.

    The key, he said, was convincing people to buy things they don't want and don't need.

    Apparently he's teaching ccw these days
     
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    Any chance you could post the school or pm me with an email address I would like to send them some info of my own.

    other than that................ beer fund?...............more like crack as thats what they are smoking for those prices!

    So really what was the name of the school and did it use the words mall ninja any where?
     
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    Remember the charge of impersonating an officer does not just depend on what you do or say, but on what someone else's perception is. In other words, if someone THINKS you are a cop and bases some action on that, you could be in deep doo-doo. And since flashing a badge is, to most people, an action associated with a police officer, just saying that you didn't claim to be a cop or that your badge says "CCW" might not be good enough to avoid trouble.

    Jim
     
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    The only time I see that badge doing any good is if it on your belt just in front of your gun and your cover garment blows open revealing your gun

    The sheeple w/ see a badge and go w/ it or if they dont call the Police

    Other than that I dont see it, LE here arent pro-gun anyway and that would just be icing on their attitude trip cake!
     
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    5 years ago a Local paid city firefighter got charged for impersonating based on having a badge in his wallet. He opened his wallet to get his id out going into a beer tent at a carnival. He was off duty and a Rent a cop saw it he walked right up and asked "are you a police officer" reply "no I am a firefighter" responce "your under arrest" Short story even shorter. The rent a cop did his thing the sheriff dept transported firefighter was charged as such posted bail was found not guilty sued the security company and the city. Ended up getting $25k after all was said and done. Some of the money was for a 4 month suspention until his case could be heard.
     
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    I didn't know that security guards could arrest people. In fact, other than a "citizien's arrest", I'm pretty sure they can't.
    It would be interesting to know if those badges for sale were department sanctioned or just some cops making extra money.
    Cops are just human, sounds like greed is coming into play here. You couldn't GIVE me one of those badges. Nothing good can come out of carrying one.
     
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    Amen.

    Like the man said.
     
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    $50 - $60 bucks for a CCW badge???? Whoever bought one of those things got ripped off big time. The gun store where I work has them for sale for $19.95, and they're made by Blackinton, who are about the best in the badge business. We don't sell very many of them, but now and then someone will come in asking for one.
     
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    Based on that recommendation alone I'd be suspect of the other things you were taught. As with most stuff, be sure you're getting multiple sources for your information and the least trustworthy people are usually the ones selling you something.
     
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    Not to put a bee in anyones bonnet. And not that I have any, two or three ccw badges, in my glove box, watch pocket, under my pillow.
    What if you have to get into a gunfight, I for one would like some type of way to let the B & W rolling up to know that I am the good guy. What is one to do?
     
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    Call 911 ASAP and make sure the dispatcher knows who you are and your physical description. If you're the shooter, you be the first one to call 911 after the action dies down!
     
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    If a cop thinks a guy flashing a mail-order badge is a "good guy", I'd hate to bet on his chances of surviving to collect a pension!
     
  25. frankcostanza

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    This is exactly the way they recommended using the badge. They weren't trying to convince everyone to buy one, or say that everyone who carries needs one. Like I said guys, all in all it was a great class. The instructors were knowledgable and competent and I would recommend the same class to anyone in a heartbeat. I dont want anyone to think that Im trying to make these guys look like amateurs or mall ninjas, becasue they were far from it. I just thought it was a strange thing to see and hear at a ccw class.
     
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