Bill Hunt's CCW policy is not Shall Issue

[Mike_in_OC]

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt
I will issue concealed weapons permits (CCW) to any applicant who is a law abiding resident of the county, meets state mandated requirements and is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm. The current Sheriff promised to revamp the CCW process. There have been less than 1200 issued CCW`s in a county of 3 million. The majority have been given to reserve police officers, judges, prosecutors and to reward political supporters. I will depoliticize the process and establish an annual audit to review each application to ensure the process is unbiased, non-political and equitable.

I see a sticky thread about Bill Hunt promising a shall issue CCW policy in Orange County if he wins. I posted this already but think its worth starting a new thread. In his statement above he says he will issue concealed weapons permits... to people who meet state mandated requirements. One of the State mandated requirements is to show Good Cause. This good cause requirement is the same policy being used by current Sheriff Mike Carona. Just want make sure people understand what it means. I don't think it is a "shall issue" policy.

~Mike

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I agree. He's really not saying anything different; just that he'd uphold whatever and everything the state law requires.

 

[Gray Peterson]

I guess you haven't been reading up on Calguns at all

Bill Hunt has stated that Self defense or personal protection will be considered "good cause". I think you're confusing Bill Hunt with Ken Masse over in Los Angeles County.

I replied in the Orange County sticky thread, all in all, QUIT SPREADING FUD!

 

[Jim March]

Penal Code 12050 allows the sheriff to define what "good cause" is. The only requirement is that he specify in his own "local policy manual" what his good cause policies are.

There are a number of sheriffs across California who view "good cause" as "having a body temperature somewhere near 98.5 and having a desire to defend oneself". Mendocino County is probably the single best and that IS definately his stated "good cause policy". Others are either that good or very close to it - Butte, Shasta, some others.

This has been going on for years and has never been declared illegal. In fact it was also Chief Gene Byrd's standard for "good cause" in Isleton back when he could issue permits across Sacramento County prior to 1998. The sheriff, the county DA and state attorney general Lockyer all hated that policy but there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it until the "Gene Byrd law" was passed limiting police chiefs to issuance only within their own towns.

So: I'm not going to tell you I know what is in Bill Hunt's head for sure. But I *will* tell you as fact that any sheriff can maintain a genuine "shall issue" CCW policy and be fully compliant with state law.

 

[Mike_in_OC]

Lonnie,
Can you give me a link where Bill Hunt has states that

"personal protection and self defense will be considered prima facie good cause. State mandated requirements means training"

Edit... Also is this personal protection and self defense without documentation or extenuating circumstances

Cause I cant find it.

 

[ArmedBear]

A sheriff in California has absolute, unaccountable power to grant or deny CCW permits, within the guidelines of state law (no felons, training required, etc.).

A sheriff, based entirely on his/her feelings about the matter, can decide that meeting the "good cause" requirement simply means "I want the gun for self-defense and I am highly unlikely to use it criminally." Or he/she can decide that "there is no such thing as good cause unless the person is my daughter-in-law."

There is no legal definition of "good cause" AFAIK. It could mean "legitimate intentions for carrying a gun", or it could mean "there's got to be a damn good reason, like you drive an armored truck."

In sum, this means that we have no recourse if our sheriff is an anti-gun absolutist, except try to get a candidate to beat him or her in the future, but also that a sheriff who believes in the right to self-defense can make the county de facto shall-issue.

 

[Henry Bowman]

There is no legal definition of "good cause" AFAIK. It could mean "legitimate intentions for carrying a gun", or it could mean "there's got to be a damn good reason, like you drive an armored truck."

Ironic that driving a busload of school kids or working in a daycare center isn't considered to be protecting more precious cargo than driving an armored truck (presumably filled with money).

 

[ElTacoGrande]

Right here, take a look at this thread:

http://californiaccw.org/posts/list/46.page

He says clearly that personal protection is good cause.

How much more clear can this be?

Vote for Bill Hunt or wait another 4 years for a shall-issue candidate to come along.