Sheriff Candidate Pretends to Support "Shall Issue"

[KBintheSLC]

I noticed this funny page on Fred Garcia's website claiming that he is going to "make Monterey into a 'shall issue' county". The funny part was that he plans on maintaining the requirement to "show a need", and of course the basic need to defend one's self and family is not on his list. As we all know, having to "show a need" is the antithesis of "shall issue". Don't let yourselves be fooled by politicians' false promises of promoting "shall issue". The proof is in the pudding as they say.

Here is the text in case it gets removed from his site...

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Conceal and Carry

MAKING MONTEREY A “SHALL ISSUE” COUNTY

I am committed to making it more accessible for citizens in Monterey County to obtain a conceal-and-carry permit. Under California law, the Sheriff of each County may issue a CCW permit. Unfortunately, Monterey lacks a coherent set of rules by which these issuances will take place. The current Sheriff has issued a meager 62 permits in eight years – equaling roughly 7 permits a year. The process that is in place right now effectively allows the Sheriff to give licenses to political supporters while shunning law abiding citizens who actually need the permit for their protection.

As Sheriff, I will develop a coherent set of requirements for the issuance of a CCW permit. These will include a thorough fingerprint and background check, the demonstration of need (i.e. business owners or someone who handles large sums of money), and the passage of a certified gun safety course. If the applicant meets these requirements, I will issue the permit. By implementing this proposal, I will do what the state has refused to do: I will make Monterey County a “shall issue” County. I recognize that for many, a personal firearm is their first line of defense against a rising tide of violence. I will stop the practice of handing out permits as political favors, and instead work to oversee a Sheriff’s Department that grants a license to all law-abiding citizens who qualify.

http://www.fredgarciaforsheriff.com/node/67

 

[EddieNFL]

Sounds like your choices really suck.

 

[cbrgator]

Doesn't sound great, but it's certainly better than a Sheriff against CCW completely which isn't exactly unheard of out there.

 

[ArmedBear]

Honestly, I believe that well-defined "good reasons" are a necessary first step in California. Also, note that, say, a jeweler in many California counties STILL can't get a permit, even though that makes him/her far more likely to be shot than the average person.

"May issue" is itself a pernicious evil. "Shall issue" with a codified list of "good reasons" would be a start. I think that list should be a state law, though, not just one sheriff's whim.

Once there's a list, then it would be easier to make the case that said list should be expanded. "Money? What about a woman who works late? Is rape not a good reason for self-defense? What about carjacking?" It would be very hard to defend a limited list of reasons.

I think that getting a specific list would be a vital step.

 

[hirundo82]

"May issue" is itself a pernicious evil.

I wish more people realized the racist roots of may-issue concealed carry. It was originally designed to keep "the wrong people" (ie African-Americans) from carrying. It continues even today--the more minorities there are in a California county, the harder it is to get a permit.

 

[zoom6zoom]

Shall issue... if he feels like it.

"Shall issue" with a codified list of "good reasons" would be a start.

Will the Second Amendment be on the list?

 

[ArmedBear]

Will the Second Amendment be on the list?

Did you actually READ my post?

 

[blitzen]

sounds like only the rich and famous will get permits. I really feel sorry for you poor people. At least the times, they are a changing!

 

[mljdeckard]

When I lived there, a classmate (army major) went through the process of applying for a CCW permit, mostly for poops and giggles. He documented all of the refusals and made a file to prove the point that they aren't interested in supporting 2A rights for anyone. He pointed out that he is a combat-experienced, holds a security clearance, and is a high-profile target being required to live and commute in uniform every day. They sent him a refusal letter telling him that he "didn't meet the requirements for a demonstrable need" to be issued a carry permit.

The problem in Monterey County is Salinas. It isn't Carmel and Monterey that have people clamoring for gun rights. Salinas has the highest concentration of gang members in the nation. In January of 2008 when I was there, there were homicides there for like 17 straight days, it was a bloodbath. Clint Eastwood lives in the canyon between Monterey and Salinas, (he married a former Salinas anchorwoman,) and he claims to own only one gun. (Which if I had to guess is a blued Model 29 under glass.) If His Majesty, The King of Monterey County doesn't want a carry permit, I'm guessing they aren't going to bother.

 

[orionengnr]

"May issue" is itself a pernicious evil. "Shall issue" with a codified list of "good reasons" would be a start. I think that list should be a state law, though, not just one sheriff's whim.

I cannot believe that you miss the fact that "shall issue" with a list of codified reasons is, in fact, "may issue"....

"Shall issue" is self explanatory. If you are not barred legally, you get your permit. Period.

The fact that he issues 8 permits a year tells me the rest of the story. I have spent some very enjoyable times on the Monterey Peninsula. However, I lived in California for 20 years, leaving in Jan 01. If you note out Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi and about two dozen others, I would consider going back. But that will never happen.

Good luck.

 

[Jon_Snow]

As Sheriff, I will develop a coherent set of requirements for the issuance of a CCW permit. These will include a thorough fingerprint and background check, the demonstration of need (i.e. business owners or someone who handles large sums of money), and the passage of a certified gun safety course.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this exactly what the law already says? I was under the impression that our laws actually say 'shall issue' but that the 'good reason' clause makes CA a 'may issue' state in effect.

 

[Old Shooter]

So, is that candidate a

business owners or someone who handles large sums of money

If not, throw the bum out!

On second thought, throw the bum out anyway, either before(prefered) or after the election.

 

[KBintheSLC]

sounds like only the rich and famous will get permits. I really feel sorry for you poor people. At least the times, they are a changing!

Ditto... hence the "business owners/large sums of money" criteria. I can only hope that McDonald goes our way so we can sue them into the afterlife.

The problem in Monterey County is Salinas. It isn't Carmel and Monterey that have people clamoring for gun rights. Salinas has the highest concentration of gang members in the nation.

Absolutely right. Not just Salinas, but also King City and Soledad. Its hard to believe that places like Monterey and Carmel are in the came country, let alone the same county as Salinas. Living in close proximity to Salinas is one of the primary reasons I would pack a gun around here.

 

[Buck Snort]

Why does the phrase "duplicitoud SOB" come to mind?

 

[Art Eatman]

More polly ticks than legal...