Bisley Hammer for New Model Blackhawk

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In addition to changing the grips I want to change the hammer. As age creeps in my hands are not as nimble and a lower hammer would be helpful. I think my options are a SBH hammer or a Power Custom Bisley hammer. I have no experience with either but I think the Bisley hammer will be lower but am not sure if there is a significance difference. I know the regular Ruger Bisley hammer would require changes to my revolver and I do not want to do that. All input is appreciated.
 
The Ruger bisley hammer does NOT require changes to your revolver. The rear radius of the hammer itself must be reprofiled to fit into the standard grip frame. Not a difficult job to DIY, and gets you into a lower hammer for about $35 instead of $170 for the Power Custom kit, otherwise any number of us could help you get it lined out. The Bisley hammer IS lower than the Super Blackhawk Hammer.

Shoot me a PM if you'd like to discuss getting a "drop in" Ruger Bisley hammer for your plow handle, or how to DIY.
 
Thanks for the reply. I should have included in my 1st post, the grip on my new model blackhawk is the Aluminum? one - style XRN-3RED. I am all for saving money especially if the conversion is straight forward. I am fortunate to live in the country with a lot of animals and not many people so I do most things myself. At my age the lower hammer would be welcome.
 
The bisley hammers needs to have the "rump" of the hammer reduced to fit the plow handle grip frames. If you're fitting it yourself, you can scribe a line and actually match the profile of the grip frame bosses better than the factory standard hammer. Note the scribed line on the bisley hammer below:

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It's not a particularly difficult modification to DIY, just takes a bit of time. If you're interested, I've done a bunch of these conversions - if you cover costs, I can reprofile one and ship it to you.
 
With the lower Bisley hammer spur, does it roll back and bite into the web of your hand under recoil from decent-powered loads with the standard grip? I held a Bisley Colt once (never shot one) and hated the feel of the grip/grip angle. The way the front of the grip curves back towards the front of the gun just feels odd. (I noticed the Ruger Bisley doesn't have that extreme a "hook" to the front of the grip, it may feel better but I haven't held one.) The regular SA Colt/Ruger grip fits me fine.

The lower hammer spur does have an appeal, but if it's a biter that may end the appeal quickly :eek:.
 
It's lower than an SBH, but I've never gotten any bite with either a standard frame or bisley frame. I have 44mag Vaqueros which temporarily wore bisley hammers with Birdshead grips, even still I didn't get hammer bite. I HAVE had issues, personally, with a high grip on the bisley grip frame where my hammer will touch my hand when cocking with the support thumb, but I have never gotten any bite during recoil.

Then again, I don't typically let my revolvers roll very hard in my hand. Even when I'm running hot Ruger only loads, I don't get enough muzzle flip to get hammer bite.
 
It's lower than an SBH, but I've never gotten any bite with either a standard frame or bisley frame. I have 44mag Vaqueros which temporarily wore bisley hammers with Birdshead grips, even still I didn't get hammer bite. I HAVE had issues, personally, with a high grip on the bisley grip frame where my hammer will touch my hand when cocking with the support thumb, but I have never gotten any bite during recoil.

Then again, I don't typically let my revolvers roll very hard in my hand. Even when I'm running hot Ruger only loads, I don't get enough muzzle flip to get hammer bite.
What's a new Bisley like that cost or worth? I have an extra.
 
Cool, thanks. The retrofit looks like removing the old hammer, mark the outline on the Bisley hammer using the old hammer as a guide, grind and dremel to shape, polish, install. (If only anything was that easy :cuss:!)
 
Better to use the grip frame, not the old hammer, to pattern the scribe line. The pre-1998 blackhawks wouldn't make much difference, as the grip frame SHOULD match the hammer, but post 98 grip frames are taller at the rear, so they have a void behind the hammer, between the frame bosses. So a guy would be fine if they traced the old hammer, but would get a better appearance by tracing the grip frame itself instead.

Used bisley hammers aren't worth much - the new factory part is only $30 and are generally readily available from Ruger, Brownells, or Midwayusa. Take off's tend to go for $20 or less.
 
Dang you guys.... I've been kicking this idea around for years, ever since Ruger rolled the Bisley out for sale. I have one of the "old model" Bisley Vaqueros and a well-worn (rescued from a fiery car wreck, in point of fact) "200th Year" Blackhawk. Since this wouldn't be a permanent mod, I'm sorely tempted to take the plunge and slap a Bisley hammer on that Blackhawk.
 
I would just get the Montado hammer. No modification needed. Midwayusa and Brownells usually have them in stock.

I did it to my Vaqueros for same reason. Good for BH and SBH also.
 
I would just get the Montado hammer. No modification needed. Midwayusa and Brownells usually have them in stock.

I did it to my Vaqueros for same reason. Good for BH and SBH also.

Can you provide the link to the montado hammer at Midway or Brownells? If Ruger has released these for aftermarket sale, I'd buy a few dozen of them today!! I can't find them on Midway OR brownells currently - not even showing out of stock. Maybe you're talking about the Power Custom version, for $140 or $170 for the kit, rather than the Ruger factory original parts, which usually cost ~$30 for the single action hammers.

I have never seen a Ruger factory Montado hammer for sale ANYWHERE EVER. Ruger typically won't even sell you one, I ONCE got them to send me one, but only after providing my SASS NV serial number and a lot of sweet talking - as that was a factory original part for it. The other Montado hammers I have bought from Ruger were expensive, because I had to send my revolver to Ruger to receive the hammer. They've never treated the Montado hammers in the same way they treat the other single action hammers.

The Montado hammer has the same spur profile as the Super Blackhawk hammer, with different checkering. It also has a larger "rump," such that it fills the void between the upper bosses of the grip frame, giving a cleaner look like the pre-1998 revolvers.

Maybe Ruger changed policy and released the Montado for aftermarket availability, but I haven't yet seen it. I'll be dancing a jig if they're finally available. Until then, the SBH hammer has the exact same hammer reach, just with less style than the Montado.
 
I just typed in 'ruger blackhawk hammer'. The hammer w/new springs and all popped up w/midway. You don't need the new springs.
I bought mine at brownells and paind around $90 for 2 hammers w/shipping.
It will say that it fits BH,SBH and Vaqueros. I don't have a link. Bought mine 2 years ago for cowboy shooting duelist category.
 
Can you provide the link to the Montado hammer you purchased?

The spring kit is the Power custom set. Not a Ruger factory part. The only montado item at midway I can find today is the power custom set.

I buy a couple dozen Ruger hammers per year, I have never seen a Ruger Montado hammer for sale which was not a take-off part.

If there is a source for them, I wanna know where, cuz I'll buy them out to replace all of my vaq's and sbh's.
 
I assumed that's what you'd bought - the SBH hammers are the same spur height as the Montado, or rather, the other way around, since the SBH came first. There are only two differences between the two, both cosmetic - the montado has a framed diamond checkering pattern, whereas the SBH hammer is straight line splines, and the "rump" of the Montado is larger to fill in the void between the grip frame upper bosses. The hammer reach for the two, the width of the spur, curvature, everything else about them are identical.

The Bisley is lower still, the SBH/Montado hammers are about halfway between the Blackhawk/Vaquero hammer and the Bisley, slightly lower than half way. Of course, alternatively, the New Vaquero "Longhorn" hammer is the highest spur of all Ruger factory hammers. Personally, I think that was an effort by Ruger to encourage even more aftermarket sales of Super Blackhawk hammers to be transplanted into New Vaqueros.
 
I assumed that's what you'd bought - the SBH hammers are the same spur height as the Montado, or rather, the other way around, since the SBH came first. There are only two differences between the two, both cosmetic - the montado has a framed diamond checkering pattern, whereas the SBH hammer is straight line splines, and the "rump" of the Montado is larger to fill in the void between the grip frame upper bosses. The hammer reach for the two, the width of the spur, curvature, everything else about them are identical.

The Bisley is lower still, the SBH/Montado hammers are about halfway between the Blackhawk/Vaquero hammer and the Bisley, slightly lower than half way. Of course, alternatively, the New Vaquero "Longhorn" hammer is the highest spur of all Ruger factory hammers. Personally, I think that was an effort by Ruger to encourage even more aftermarket sales of Super Blackhawk hammers to be transplanted into New Vaqueros.
What hammer is part # KBR04001B? It has straight line splines and a big hump that won't fit in my New Vaquero.
 
What hammer is part # KBR04001B? It has straight line splines and a big hump that won't fit in my New Vaquero.

The KRB04001B is the Bisley hammer. It's the middle hammer in the middle of my photo above in post #4. The scribed line on the hammer in that picture reflects the material which must be removed to make it fit in non-Bisley grip frames like the Birdshead, XR3, XR3-RED, Dragoon, and Hunter grip frames - aka, all non-Bisley Super Blackhawks, Blackhawks, Vaqueros, and New Vaqueros. With this material removed, it'll drop in your New Vaquero.
 
The KRB04001B is the Bisley hammer. It's the middle hammer in the middle of my photo above in post #4. The scribed line on the hammer in that picture reflects the material which must be removed to make it fit in non-Bisley grip frames like the Birdshead, XR3, XR3-RED, Dragoon, and Hunter grip frames - aka, all non-Bisley Super Blackhawks, Blackhawks, Vaqueros, and New Vaqueros. With this material removed, it'll drop in your New Vaquero.
Thank you.
 
I know this one is a couple weeks cold, but I thought I might share the outcome of this thread - I FINALLY got these finished up, and while my photography skills are lacking, I thought I'd share another illustration of the end result when converting a Ruger Bisley Hammer to work with their plowshare or birdshead grips.

The 3 Bisley hammers pictured in the middle of the pack below all started out looking exactly like the center bisley - a standard Ruger product with a LOT of junk in the trunk. Before you take on this project for your own revolver, you need to recognize which model you own, such you can modify the hammer appropriately to match your particular grip frame. The age of your revolver matters, in this case.

@farm23 has a pre-1998 Blackhawk, so the "rump" of a standard Vaquero/Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk hammer would match the void between the upper bosses of the grip frame, so making a Bisley hammer fit one of the Pre-1998 Blackhawk's is just a matter of matching a Vaquero/Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk hammer. In the photo below, you'll note the 3rd hammer from the left is a Bisley spur, but with NO junk in the trunk, similar to the Super Blackhawk and Vaquero/Blackhawk hammers to its left. If I had cut his hammer to match the two hammers at the right, it would not fit in his grip frame, as the bosses on the Pre-1998 grip frames were slightly smaller, so a New Vaquero or Montado sized hammer won't fit (aka, the tracing in the photo I posted above).

@dickydalton, alternatively, has a New Vaquero, which has the same grip frame profile as the Post-1998 Blackhawk, Birdshead, Super Blackhawk, and Vaqueros, however, unlike the hammers for these other models, the New Vaquero hammer has more junk in the trunk, such that it fills in void between the upper bosses of the grip frame as well. These other models would have a small void between the bosses, where their standard hammers (the same profile as Farm23's grip frame) would be slightly smaller than the grip frame bosses. Since dickydalton has a smooth profile New Vaquero hammer, I cut this one to match a New Vaquero hammer, such it matches profile to any Post-1998 Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Vaquero, or New Vaquero grip frame. Note his hammer, 2nd from the right, has a small bump on its rump, which matches the profile of the New Vaquero hammer at the right. Farm23's hammer would fit in dickydalton's revolver, but would leave a ~1/8" void sunk between the bosses of the grip frame - which would match a conventional Post-1998 Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Vaquero look, but definitely isn't as attractive. The reverse, again, isn't true, as dickydalton's hammer would NOT fit into Farm23's Pre-1998 Blackhawk.

When installed, both of these will match their respective revolver's grip frame bosses, giving a cleaner look than many of the standard Ruger plowshare grip revolvers.

L to R: Super Blackhawk, Vaquero/Blackhawk, Pre-1998 Modified Bisley (Farm23, Standard Bisley, Post-1998 Modified Bisley (dickydalton), New Vaquero.

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@Cameronh90 yes, that is the right hammer for any New Model Ruger BH, SBH, Vaquero, or New Vaquero.

How much the trigger feel changes after changing the hammer depends what work was done during your lockwork during the action job. If your Blackhawk trigger has had the sear angle corrected, then going back to a factory part will throw some pull weight back on it. If your sear engagement length was reduced, then you’ll get back some of the factory creep. If it was simply shimmed and the spring changed, then nothing would change.
 
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