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EXACTLY!
BTW, thank you for your service to our country!
BTW, thank you for your service to our country!
May 20, 2012, 08:11 PM #1
JustSomeDude
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Black bear vs. 9mm
Black Bear roaming through Grand Rapids
I live in the metro Grand Rapids area, and this raises a couple of questions for me.
First, what are the chances of my 9mm CCW pistol taking down a black bear? I envision it being a pretty point blank headshot to be a legit self defense shooting, but I still wonder about it.
Second, I obviously wouldn't have a hunting permit for said bear, so where would that leave me legally?
Alaska, you're answering a question no-one's asking. This thread doesn't ask "What's the best handgun for bear defense?" Instead, the OP wants to know "Will my usual CCW stop a bear if I'm attacked?"
Considering the OP lives in the lower 48, is specifically asking about black bears, and doesn't seem to be asking about wandering through the deep woods, assuming good ammunition and reasonable skill, the answer is yes.
9x19mm FMJ does penetrate as much as 39 inches. If you had carefully looked at the link you posted, you would see there are no accurate measurements for FMJ penetration- because the test did not have enough gel block depth to catch the FMJs. All he can report is that it exceeded 23 inches.
An ideal (big) black bear dedicated defensive load would be similar to any other bear defense load- in other words, foolish and a distinct liability if your primary mission is defense against hostile humans in heavily populated areas.
John
Get Hornet and Wasp Spray!
The stuff shoots like 25 feet or more with a very accurate stream, if that got into the bear's eyes, or even in its nose, I believe there is not much he could do, except back off and retreat. I don't like to see animals suffer, however a 9mm bullet stuck somewhere in the bear for the next few years I would think would be painful for the bear, pretty much no matter where the bullet stops! I cannot imagine shards of copper and lead riding around with every movement, that would HAVE to be painful!
Besides, you just may end up camping near a hornet's nest, wait until after dark when they are all in the nest then spray the thing to death!
Today, 06:29 PM #63
jmr40
Also very few problem bears are the big ones. Most that cause trouble are older cubs weighing less than 200 lbs that have been recently run off by their mothers and are struggling to make it on their own and resort to raiding trash cans. The 400-500 lb bears don't get that big by hanging around humans. A 200 lb bear ain't any harder to kill than a 200 lb human.
9mm Luger
# of people shot - 456
# of hits - 1121
% of hits that were fatal - 24%
Average number of rounds until incapacitation - 2.45
% of people who were not incapacitated - 13%
One-shot-stop % - 34%
Accuracy (head and torso hits) - 74%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 47%
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866
Today, 06:31 PM #64
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My mom chases black bears off the porch at her place with a pot and a wooden spoon. Just sayin.
TRINIDAD, Colo. (CBS4) – A woman who was mauled by a bear in Trinidad Friday evening was banging pots and pans together on her porch in an effort to scare the bear away before the attack, wildlife officials say.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/05/21/victim-of-bear-attack-was-banging-pots-and-pans/
Have you ever seen a skinned bear?Not sure why folks equate bears to people..
Not sure why folks equate bears to people. Last time I checked, I don't have thick fur, heavy bones, fangs and claws, nor can I run 35 mph. I wouldn't be reassured at all by the stopping power of a 9 mm against people let alone bears considering what I know about bears.
Ten Shots Finally Kill Intruding Black Bear
By Dave Hurteau
From the Boulder Daily Camera:
It took three rounds from a shotgun, five bullets from a handgun and two shots from a rifle to kill the 120-pound black bear that broke into a Boulder County home early Monday morning. .
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/07/ten-shots-finally-kill-intruding-black-bear