Black Powder and Being Clever

[gtrgy888]

You don't have a prayer from hiding gun ban ideas from the authoritarians you mention.
It's not a loophole, please stop using anti-gun terms.
You're the one suggesting that there should be folks out there wanting to ban percussion guns and we need to hide (not exercise or selectively exercise) our 2A rights when it comes to percussion guns.
I think that is 100% backwards. I'd rather see folks exposed to positive experiences every day instead of the 99% negative ones in the news.

It's estimated that there were 5 million new gun owners in the first 7 months of 2020.
Estimated total sales of firearms in 2020 was 17 million with estimated 40% to new gun owners.
That equates to an estimated 6.8 million new gun owners in 2020
I'm certain several of those folks have changes their mind about gun control for the better.

I thought of omitting “loophole” while writing for that exact reason, but there isn’t really an equivalent handy term for “thing we have every right to do that the left would rather we can’t do ever again.”

I’m not suggesting hiding from the antigun left by doing what little we can to control their information or our communication anymore than I would be telling a platoon to hide from a superior enemy force by taking concealment and waiting for optimal tactical conditions to engage. This political climate ain’t it. The left seems determined to try to bumble together an offensive against the second amendment more significant than any previous historical attempt. And this time they’ve hijacked the democratic process to ensure majorities in almost every single institution. When the emperor is good, rejoice. When the emperor is bad, recluse. Our best bet is to hope their ignorance of the law and the practicalities of shooting continue to make their bills less comprehensive.

 

[ThomasT]

I shot my 1862 Colt .36 Police Uberti today. I keep it loaded and capped, so I drove up the hill behind my house to near the top of a 1500 foot hill and pulled over at a nasty party spot that people use before the pandemic , BLM land I think. Of course there were beer bottles ect in the dozer cut that is up there . I listened for human activity in the area, was none there are no houses and the back stop is a hill side and a cut down where people throw drinking garbage and shoot. I shot the 1862 empty , pulled out the Walther PPS 9mm and emptied two mags of ball into bottles and cans and reloaded with fresh Remington Golden Saber . Always good to smell charcoal and keep your skills up
especially these days !

I wish I had a spot like that close to where I live. To shoot I go to my buds land. He has 38 acres but its 40 miles away so a bit of a drive. And he doesn't want to shoot like he used to. He built himself an airplane and that pretty much runs his life. He spends most of his time at the airport working on his plane. We keep saying we are going to build a covered bench and make a 50 yard shooting lane in the trees behind his house for handguns and 22 rifles. We have been planing to do that for a couple of years now.

To the OP. If you have ever bought a gun and filled out the 4473 firearms transaction form you are on someones watchlist somewhere. And not just for the gun you bought but because you are a known gun owner. And if the government ever comes for our guns they will take all they find no matter if they are rimfire, centerfire or load from the muzzle. Even a matchlock would be taken from you. So instead of a low profile maybe its better to promote BP shooting in a positive light to all who will listen.

 

[whughett]

Not often but occasionally I look back on my approaching 8 decades and consider myself fortunate to have lived in Americans golden years. Not so keen on the future so I suppose those of you still here will adapt.

 

[gtrgy888]

I wish I had a spot like that close to where I live. To shoot I go to my buds land. He has 38 acres but its 40 miles away so a bit of a drive. And he doesn't want to shoot like he used to. He built himself an airplane and that pretty much runs his life. He spends most of his time at the airport working on his plane. We keep saying we are going to build a covered bench and make a 50 yard shooting lane in the trees behind his house for handguns and 22 rifles. We have been planing to do that for a couple of years now.

To the OP. If you have ever bought a gun and filled out the 4473 firearms transaction form you are on someones watchlist somewhere. And not just for the gun you bought but because you are a known gun owner. And if the government ever comes for our guns they will take all they find no matter if they are rimfire, centerfire or load from the muzzle. Even a matchlock would be taken from you. So instead of a low profile maybe its better to promote BP shooting in a positive light to all who will listen.

An outright confiscation regime is unlikely. They’ll first make ownership onerous and legally treacherous. Hence my advice to make authoritarians do their own homework on what’s currently accessible to the general public.

 

[ThomasT]

An outright confiscation regime is unlikely. They’ll first make ownership onerous and legally treacherous. Hence my advice to make authoritarians do their own homework on what’s currently accessible to the general public.

Thats what they thought in Germany before world war 2.

 

[expat_alaska]

We went through this in the early 1990's with the AWB. Folks bought pre-ban firearms and parts (primarily AR-15 stuff) before the law went into effect.

If you are really concerned about keeping your up-and-coming "illicit" firearms, bury your most precious ones. An 8" x 4' PVC tube with end caps will store a disassembled AR along with beaucoup 30-round mags and ammo and some bags of silica gel dessicant. If you are really serious, install a Shrader valve on one end cap, pull a vacuum on it and check. Flood it with nitrogen and place it in a 4' hole horizontally. Only very few metal detectors will find it: most only detect down to a foot or so.

Keep a throw-down gun that LE knows that you have signed a 4473 for. That will keep them happy. Any non-4473 guns should be hidden where LE cannot find them. Use your imagination.

Ignore any law that calls for a Firearms Owner License. It is on their onus to figure out if you are a gun owner and they will need a search warrant to enter your domicile to prove otherwise. LE will have to prove you own a firearm before requiring a license to own.

Jim

 

[grter]

I don't like it when people slip right, left wing, or whatever run of the mill jargon and propoganda into the gun rights issue, an issue which will without a doubt intrude into the rights of people over issues that have nothing to do with firearms by the way.

Most of the origins of gun control are related to Government attempts to keep firearms out of the hands of African Americans usually with the full support of the Ku Klux Klan.

African American soldiers who fought in world war 1 were being lynched, the government was doing nothing (the Klan was a strong political party then,) despite pleas for protection, and when blacks decided they needed to protect themselves the government labeled them as a communist threat (the same familiar run of the mill garbage tactic,) which was total horse huey by the way, and a lot of gun control laws were passed with the hopes that local town authorities would deny permits to African Americans and they did. Blacks who wanted nothing more than to be productive citizens were killed only because of the color of their skin.

Dr. Martin Luther King by the way was one of those people who was denied permission to have firearms despite meeting all of the qualifications to own firearms. He was not a gun nut, he had a definite urgent need since the lives of his family as well as himself were in grave danger.

These anti gun laws eventually backfired but with the consequence that now all of our rights are in danger.

I am glad and supportive of any one who supports 2A rights regardless of their political beliefs, skin color, nationality etc... I am not looking to drive people away from the supporting the 2nd amendment by telling them because they don't share all of my political views they are anti gun communists. I am in support of living in a free country.

I have to disagree now is not the time to hide when the law is on your side. Now is the time to openly stand up for and support those 2A rights and perhaps other rights that you think may have nothing to do with you but probably will put a good hurting in you or your offspring later down the road.

Every purchase you make supports the firearms industry and if they wish to stay in business they should help us with some of the revenue they make.

The time to hide is when you are forbidden by law to own firearms and protect yourself and the crowds are gathering and sneaking around your house ready to lynch you and your family God forbid.

 

[gtrgy888]

I don't like it when people slip right, left wing, or whatever run of the mill jargon and propoganda into the gun rights issue, an issue which will without a doubt intrude into the rights of people over issues that have nothing to do with firearms by the way.

Most of the origins of gun control are related to Government attempts to keep firearms out of the hands of African Americans usually with the full support of the Ku Klux Klan.

African American soldiers who fought in world war 1 were being lynched, the government was doing nothing (the Klan was a strong political party then,) despite pleas for protection, and when blacks decided they needed to protect themselves the government labeled them as a communist threat (the same familiar run of the mill garbage tactic,) which was total horse huey by the way, and a lot of gun control laws were passed with the hopes that local town authorities would deny permits to African Americans and they did. Blacks who wanted nothing more than to be productive citizens were killed only because of the color of their skin.

Dr. Martin Luther King by the way was one of those people who was denied permission to have firearms despite meeting all of the qualifications to own firearms. He was not a gun nut, he had a definite urgent need since the lives of his family as well as himself were in grave danger.

These anti gun laws eventually backfired but with the consequence that now all of our rights are in danger.

I am glad and supportive of any one who supports 2A rights regardless of their political beliefs, skin color, nationality etc... I am not looking to drive people away from the supporting the 2nd amendment by telling them because they don't share all of my political views they are anti gun communists. I am in support of living in a free country.

I have to disagree now is not the time to hide when the law is on your side. Now is the time to openly stand up for and support those 2A rights and perhaps other rights that you think may have nothing to do with you but probably will put a good hurting in you or your offspring later down the road.

Every purchase you make supports the firearms industry and if they wish to stay in business they should help us with some of the revenue they make.

The time to hide is when you are forbidden by law to own firearms and protect yourself and the crowds are gathering and sneaking around your house ready to lynch you and your family God forbid.

Be 2a and proud. Just use good sense with nonshooters. They have no reason to know how easily black powder guns can be purchased unless they buy one. Let them continue to believe they all require licenses, or they’ll start petitioning to make it so.

 

[vintovka]

The flaw (or intent) of strict gun control is creation/expansion of crime and the chaos it brings. Where quick profit exists criminals and crime are not far behind. Add in complete and vicious disdain for the rule of law by irritated conservatives and you have the perfect mix for US enemies. deleting comments like this are also helpful to those who hate us.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

I shot my 1862 Colt .36 Police Uberti today.

They have "Shot Spotter" now! New Years was much quieter 2021.

 

[Gordon]

no shot spotter on BLM land in rural Oregon logging areas yet !

"Add in complete and vicious disdain for the rule of law by irritated conservatives "

wonder if they feel that way in Venezuela ?

 

[gtrgy888]

I told my brother I was going shooting on BLM land. He said, “You mean the guys who burned down the city all summer?” I said, “Nah, the feds who couldn’t put out their bush fires all summer.” If we didn’t live here the whole situation would be very funny.

 

[entropy]

Read C.S. Lewis's "That Hideous Strength" to understand the modern fallen academia. My son has two PHDs, he did his post doc as a low paid adjunct professor. He learned if his work was not some how supporting global warming. during Obama years, he was not gonna get funding for those grants he was writing. He left and went into commercial undersea exploration for $1000 a day by two years of doing it. He saved and built himself a private testing lab 5 miles from his house. He doesn't shoot black powder yet, he sure likes the modern stuff alot tho . I served so he didn't have too , or his brothers. All fine men and shooters

Both my sons did not go to college, the only one I would have advocated them going to would be Hillsdale. The older one was interested in joining the Army and going SF, but SWMBO and I were relieved when he changed his mind. He'd have never made it in the 'new' political armed force (SA, SS) they are attempting to mold the NG, and to a lesser extent, active military into.

 

[drobs]

You're too late. They are already on to you:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text

 

[gtrgy888]

You're too late. They are already on to you:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text

Not quite. A dead bill with no sponsors doesn’t worry me. A little rider snuck into a more popular bill does. And the less they know, the less “smart” ideas they can conjure up to close what they call loopholes. In the meantime this is a battle of information. Better for us to know and them to find out since it will buy everyone time before a sneakier bill gets rubber stamped by President Puppet.

 

[Gordon]

"“(D) as part of the psychological evaluation, the licensed psychologist interviewed any spouse of the individual, any former spouse of the individual, and at least 2 other persons who are a member of the family of, or an associate of, the individual to further determine the state of the mental, emotional, and relational stability of the individual in relation to firearms." - and not LESS than ten years in prison for violation !! Be a Democrat or be crazy !

 

[gtrgy888]

"“(D) as part of the psychological evaluation, the licensed psychologist interviewed any spouse of the individual, any former spouse of the individual, and at least 2 other persons who are a member of the family of, or an associate of, the individual to further determine the state of the mental, emotional, and relational stability of the individual in relation to firearms." - and not LESS than ten years in prison for violation !! Be a Democrat or be crazy !

The psychological examination is a humiliation and social status ritual. The only people who will be able to own a firearm are those fitting very narrow conditions. My wife would sign for me, but my liberal brother and very old pacifist parents wouldn’t. And I don’t keep many friends in real life. I have family and work associates (all I do is work, rest, and occasionally shoot). None of the Biden voters I work with would be signing for me either. Not to mention most Licensed Clinical Psychologists are as a rule left leaning. And god forbid they interview a vindictive former girlfriend who knows you liked to shoot. This subsection alone would make gun ownership impossible for normal men with crazy exes (otherwise known as normal men).

 

[Gordon]

Well one of my son is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist , and his mom would maybe vouch for me , but the earlier wife, now a NJ judge Dem operative surely wouldn't ! This is gonna get very scary

 

[grter]

I don;'t think that psychologists are going to deny you because they "are as a rule left leaning." It may be true in a lot of instances but they generally do report unstable people with firearms when they find out. The problem is when this is written into law they are now open to legal repercussions or should we say a greater world of hurt, if something unexpected happens, so by default just to protect themselves and their careers they may refuse to sign or may report at the slightest hint of instability, which every human being has a little of, despite the fact that overall the person is probably not a threat.

 

[gtrgy888]

I don;'t think that psychologists are going to deny you because they "are as a rule left leaning." It may be true in a lot of instances but they generally do report unstable people with firearms when they find out. The problem is when this is written into law they are now open to legal repercussions or should we say a greater world of hurt, if something unexpected happens, so by default just to protect themselves and their careers they may refuse to sign or may report at the slightest hint of instability, which every human being has a little of, despite the fact that overall the person is probably not a threat.

The political leanings of the psychologist matters a lot. For example, my state allows concealed carry on university campuses... as long as the University president agrees in writing you have good reason to be armed. Exactly zero people have been given permission to carry on campus, despite concealed carry permits being honored everywhere else. I believe a similar kind of mass disarmament will occur with psych tests, since psychologists will have no mandate under law to grant access and will face no professional consequences at all for finding everyone they assess to be unsafe. Eventually, simply attempting to set up an appointment with the psychologist to assess safety with a gun could be social proof that the person is a scary gun psycho, especially if that person is forced to go around to their friends and family asking their permission to carry a gun.