Black Powder Revolvers

[whughett]

If you are looking for a decent reproduction of a “conversion” revolver, the Richards conversion in 44 Colt was produced by ASM back in the 20th century. No longer made, unfortunately, but they were a good copy and well built.

Forgot to add, built o the same frame as the 1860, yet proofed for smokeless.
Kevin

A Richards/Mason, has been on my wish list for a while. They are just so darn cool looking. Briefly considered a new Uberti 1860 sent to Kirst for their full blown conversion. Being on the “poor” side of middle class it was only a wishful side trip into dreamville.

 

[45 Dragoon]

[QUOTE="ApacheCoTodd, post:

I don't know that I want to get a conversion for any of mine but don't know that I don't either and the thread here has been interesting.

I guess I'm more interested in it as an example of transitional guns from makers or on the frontier and having the most realistic as possible would be the most interesting to me.

Too, loading some poofy, smokey, non-socially-acceptable cartridge rounds would be fun.

Todd.[/QUOTE]

Of course!! The "drop cylinder" Remington conversion is correct as is the gated versions for the Colt pattern revolvers. If you're interested, look at Howells (he is making/selling the 6shot Remie cyls again) and Kirst conversions. You don't need to worry about the "support system " for the conversions offered (just fodder for talking/arguing /cabin fever). The truth is, a factory version from Uberti will probably be cheaper but they don't offer a Dragoon/Walker version so your only option is "do it yourself".

Mike

 

[.38 Special]

There must be a reason the conversion cylinders carry a warning against high pressure rounds.

Probably for the same reason that some guns are not rated for +p. The existence of the Colt SAA, as an example, does not mean that Blackhawk owners are up for Darwin awards if they shoot 325s at 1250 FPS.

Of course, when hot .45 Colt loads in the Ruger Bisley were a new thing, there was quite a bit of noise about how we were all going to kill ourselves with them. Eventually, enough people shot enough of those loads through their Blackhawks, with perfect safety, that the naysayers mostly drifted on to other things.

I guess I figured we'd already gotten to that point with conversion cylinders. Oh well.

 

[whughett]

What I limit myself to, I do not advocate for others. Bang away friends it’s your buck.

 

[DocRock]

The cyl is proofed, not the frame proper. Support structure is more than adequate.
(Hey Kevin !)
Mike

That's an opinion. And worth as much.

The statement on the revolver by its manufacturer and the CIP proof marks are warrants. And worth a heckuvalot more.

You lot keep saying "smokeless is fine". What you mean is "likely fine, if kept to black powder pressures". But you're stuck. You can't admit it because you've painted yourselves into a corner with ego.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Nope, yer wrong. They are PERFECTLY fine with smokless.

Hey !! The sky is falling lol!!

Mike

 

[DocRock]

Nope, yer wrong. They are PERFECTLY fine with smokless.

Hey !! The sky is falling lol!!

Mike

Well, this explains some of the problems people have had with you. And should warn others. You have a hard time with telling the truth and you can't seem to admit when you're wrong.

 

[StrawHat]

Mike, it sounds like you are being baited. Not very high road but that’s some people’s kids for you.

Kevin

 

[45 Dragoon]

Lol !!!! I know!!! And thanks Kevin (don't kid yourself, "High Road" doesn't mean "High Road"!! It's kinda fun for me at this point (that's why I said what I said lol!!!!

Mike

 

[45 Dragoon]

Heck, maybe Mr.DocRock can explain how frames are tested for smokless?

Mike

 

[DocRock]

Heck, maybe Mr.DocRock can explain how frames are tested for smokless?

Mike

Dog with a bone aren't you. I suppose this may go some way to explaining the extensive backlog and delay in returning people's revolvers to them.

The CIP, an actual qualified and duly constituted regulatory agency, has very clear published rules on its proofing protocols. Look it up.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Yessir dog with a bone.

So if you've read it maybe you could be a hero and explain it to all here?
Also, how do you know "they" are "qualified" and " duly constituted"?
You seem to know so much about it, should be easy.

Mike

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Not sure of your intent. But I’d keep my cap and ball as cap and ball and if still interested in a similar gun using metallics buy a Uberti SAA. Perhaps even one of Rugers Single Action pieces.

The 45C is a fun cartridge loaded with black powder and an attention getter at the range.

Not really so much for shooting as for having a representative of the transitional period from percussion to metallic cartridge. maybe a little shooting but maybe not too.

I just have a soft spot for repairs, conversions and in-hand *upgrades*.

Todd.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Well, this explains some of the problems people have had with you. And should warn others. You have a hard time with telling the truth and you can't seem to admit when you're wrong.

Nope, you seem to have an agenda (obviously against me). They (cartridge conversions) are perfectly safe with smokless ammo just like the companies that sell them advertise. If you aren't comfortable with them, why not call Kenny or Walt and ask them? I've talked with them . . .

So apparently you're calling me a lier?

Mike

 

[45 Dragoon]

That's an opinion. And worth as much.


Just like yours!!


You lot keep saying "smokeless is fine". What you mean is "likely fine, if kept to black powder pressures". But you're stuck. You can't admit it because you've painted yourselves into a corner with ego.

No, me not say " lot keep saying " anything (not even sure what that means)! I said for a fact, "smokless is perfectly fine in conversion cylinders". you can try to put words in my mouth, but i didnt say "likely" !! I'm not painted in a corner, I've never shot a black powder round in my '60 or Dragoons ever!! They were purposely converted since new for smokless loads period!!!

Mike

 

[whughett]

Not really so much for shooting as for having a representative of the transitional period from percussion to metallic cartridge. maybe a little shooting but maybe not too.

I just have a soft spot for repairs, conversions and in-hand *upgrades*.

Todd.

IMO There’s no transitional thing here I’m thinking. Fellow by the name of Ken Howell came up with an idea and saw a profitable venture. Clever engineering allowed for six shots of a large caliber with a big rim to fit in the same space as the 44 caliber cylinder. Made specifically to fit a specified revolver with out gun smithing.
Gives one a big bore revolver with the flash and fun of black powder or, for several reasons, the convenience of a metallic cartridge.
I have a sweet sweet Uberti Remington Carbine that I’m going to fit with one this summer. Comments welcomed if any one has one and, will the cylinder swap between Uberti’s NMA and the carbine.