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On a thread whose topic was BATF abuses, the following resulted in the thread's closure
To which Pondarosa commented the following.Originally Posted by E4MC
DMF, whether or not David Koresh was guilty is irrelevant. I watched every minute of the congressional inquiry into this unfortunate incident. What came out of that inquiry was that there was absolutely no need for ATF to perform the dynamic entry that ended up in the death of their agents and lead to the death of most of the Branch Davidians. AFT at that time was an arrogant federal law enforcement agency looking for good publicity and that is why they staged the dynamic entry and invited the media to film it. The local sheriff testifed that if ATF wanted to arrest Koresh they could have done so on numerous occasions when he left the compound to shop in Waco. He further testified that he was on friendly terms with the Branch Davidians and had, on numerous occasions, joined them in target practice at the compound; he saw no such fully automatic weapons. In fact, the alleged automatic weapons turned out to be semi-autos legally fitted with hellfire triggers. The alleged grenades turned out to be legal outer shells that the Davidians were filling and selling as paper weights; the only live grenades found were practice grenades, which aren't really grenades. Other ATF agents that were not members of the entry team testified that days before the dynamic entry, Koresh had invited them out to the compound any time they desired to search, so there was no reason for the dynamic entry. As far as child molestation charges, the child protective services agent responsible for the children at the compound testified that she had inspected the compound and interviewed the adults and children on numerous occasions and saw no evidence of molestation. Even if Koresh was molesting the children, it is irrelevant as far as ATF is concerned because 1) they have no jurisdiction regarding child molestation; and 2) they made no mention of it in the search warrant. The child molestation allegations only came up later when Janet Reno gave it as a reason for her dispicable actions during the siege in a pathetic effort to get the heat off herself. Also regarding the search warrant, it was determined during the inquiry that ATF lied to the judge issuing the search warrant, stating that they believed the Branch Davidians to be operating an illegal narcotics lab when they had no evidence or even any reason to believe this. The reason they did this was so they could get training and help from the U.S. Military, which under the Posse Comitatis (spelling) Act was precluded from helping civilian law enforcement except in drug cases.
So ATF was clearly criminally negligent regarding this incident. And that's just the ATF; don't get me started on Janet Reno and the FBI. It's pretty bad when the FBI Hostage Rescue Team ends up killing all of the "hostages" and then tries to cover it up with a falsified official report.
In response to which a moderator closed the thread thuslyThank you E4MC for clarifying all that. The BATF apologists do have a knack for obfuscation in regard to that incident. The actual facts surrounding it are something that we Americans must never forget or suppress from public access or discussion.
I am really concerned when I see something like this at a site that is supposedly pro gun rights. It is no wonder their political discussion section has been nearly dead for a while now. All I can say is I am grateful for THR. Don't ever let it become a 100% apologist site for the Federal Government's perspective, as 1911forum has apparently become. This would be a tragedy in the extreme.No rehash of Waco is needed or wanted.
Thread closed.