Bloviating About The Chiappa Rhino

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Review by Bill Schroeder - November 2011

In 2010 Chiappa released the Rhino Revolver. Initially this product was available in very limited supply and quality control was far from stellar. That problem now seems to be solved, and the two Rhinos I now own work flawlessly. I have two of the Model 200D, this is a 2 inch, black, fixed sights, double action only (DAO), with the standard medium grip of a molded "rubber-like" material.

The Rhino's design is revolutionary in that it has the barrel aligned with the BOTTOM chamber of the cylinder rather that the top chamber. It is chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge, the cylinder release is a "down-press" thumb lever, the six tube cylinder is a hexagon, the trigger is smooth, and almost 1/2 inch wide, the aluminum frame is mid-sized with steel inserts as needed, weight is only 25 ounces, easily concealable size at 6.25L x 4.85H x 1.35W, the grip is at an odd angle, and the grip itself is some kind of rubber.

I'm going to call this design a Bottom Barrel Revolver (BBR, or BB Revolver), it seems like we need a new name for this handgun design.

What I will now tell you about this gun YOU SIMPLY WILL NOT BELIEVE, unless you actually spend an hour with this gun, and shoot 100 rounds through it. I have shot other versions of this gun, and they do behave somewhat differently, specifically the SA/DA version. All of my observations here will be in direct reference to the Rhino Model 200D product, with serial numbers greater than 2800.

This gun generates very little muzzle flip or perceived recoil upon firing, even with 357 Magnum loads at rated at 500-600 foot pounds of energy. This fact, and the unusual ergonomics that cause almost natural pointing of the weapon are the features that make this handgun design unique and desirable.

I want to state something that no one else has put forth about the Rhino because I think they have missed the most important point about this gun. I believe that whether you love or hate this implementation of a BBR, it makes no difference to the fact that this gun is going to change firearms history... It is not that THIS gun is perfect (because it is not)... but it is clearly a PROOF-OF-CONCEPT... After shooting it a bit, even the dim bulbs among us will realize that this BBR design WILL be pursued. Taurus loves to try new things and copy things, with their own twist, so they are likely to be next to offer a BBR, but don't be surprised if S&W, Ruger, Springfield, Colt or some of the minor manufactures offer up their own visions and versions of the BBR after this true proof-of-concept firearm lights a fire under their firearms engineers.

Some users have complained about the trigger on the Rhino. I did try Models 200DS and 400DS that each had serial numbers below 800, and they were terrible in Double Action, and very difficult to cock for use as Single Action. Although after the hard cocking the single action trigger was pretty good. However, I would not own a DS Model of this gun. After you cock it for single action this "cocking lever" (that looks like it is the hammer) goes back to what looks like a definitely uncocked firearm. There is a little red flag that pops up on the left rear of the frame to indicate the cocked condition, and that is fine... IF YOU CAN SEE IT... IF YOU NOTICE IT... and IF YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS... This is not a safe system. It would have been just as easy for them to have the "cocking lever" stay back to look like a "cocked" conventional revolver, and then fall forward on firing.

My two Rhinos are the "D" models, which are true DAO guns. They contain none of the SA action system parts or cocker. The triggers on mine are just fine, for self defense use. They are fairly smooth and consistent at 10-12 pounds.

You will learn to shot a Rhino WELL in 30 minutes or less. Even a novice shooter will put all six rounds in a 9 inch paper plate at 25 feet by the end of first box of ammo. You can pull it from its provided holster and fire it before you even raise it and hit a near target, every time. As you raise it to a target it comes naturally to the target, no long term training or weekly practice needed with a Rhino. The weapon is almost magically deadly.

After you have put a couple of boxes of ammo through a Rhino... try this... Load it and pick it up in you WEAK hand and quickly empty it at the target... again you will be deadly with the Rhino, weak handed, no practice. Think about how life saving this could be if your strong hand or arm were injured when critical defense action was required.

Both of my Rhinos have been 100% reliable out of the box. I have fired only factory ammunition, about equal 38 Special and 357 Magnum. Over 2,000 rounds through one and about 1,200 through the other. Both of mine have serial numbers in the 2800's.

It is a fact that it is very, very unlikely for the average person, or even police officer, to ever find themselves in an actual gun fight. But if you are, the chances are very high that it will be a 3-3-3 event... that is - it will last 3 seconds or less, involve 3 or less shots from you, and have your opponent at 3 or less yards of distance... and if that is the case then the perfect weapon for the average person is a BBR in 357 Magnum, loaded with strong 38 +P or moderate 357 defense specific ammo.

This is the ONLY firearm I have ever used where I can confidently say that the average shooter, CCWer, Soccer Mom, or LEO could actually be very effective in its use, every time, even if they shot just a single box of ammo once a year.

The BBR is much more than a fad or a novelty... for CCW and LEO the BBR is a giant step forward... now we just need the BBR design concept to evolve...

As the BBR design develops it would be nice to see a 35-40 ounce version, in all stainless, 4 inch barrel, as a "service" revolver, and a 6 incher for hunters (drilled and tapped for scope mounts or a rail). The 2 inch version that I have would be perfect if it had a little lighter trigger pull, lost about 4 ounces of weight, and lost about 1/8 inch of width.

The .357 Magnum is without a doubt the most versatile revolver chambering, but hopefully the future will bring some different chamberings to the BBR world.

One other thing that must change in the BBR world is the grip availability. My Beretta PX4 Storm pistols all came with 3 backstap inserts. That is what BBR guns are going to need, as the grip size and trigger reach are very important to user acceptance of the BBR design. It must fit you correctly (like a shotgun). A BBR should come from the factory with a medium grip installed (as the Rhino does) and it should be supplied with easily user changeable "small" and "large" versions of the grip, as standard, included accessories. This would make the gun a winner for 90-95% of the market instead of the 40-50% that the gun properly fits with the standard grip. The standard medium grip on the Rhino happens to fit me perfectly, but the trigger reach is way too much for my wife.

If I am ever in a situation where I must be the one forced to stop the continued actions of one or two really bad actors, then I want to be pulling out a 357 Magnum BBR... and for now that means the Rhino 200D.

Last point... a BBR is certainly NOT a full-on "combat" weapon... it is a civilian type emergency defense weapon, suitable for carry and use by persons that rarely engage in weapons training or practice... if I have the need for true battlefield combat weapon, I would always turn to a quality semi-auto pistol in 45 ACP... but that's just me...

~TMBS~

Bill Schroeder - November 2011
 
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MATEBA auto revolver
Yes... The MATEBA was a BBR that was basicly developed by the same guy that did the Rhino... but it was not practical... and as a proof-of-concept item all it proved was that a BBR-Auto of that design was impractical, complicated, expensive to manufacture, unreliable and failed in the marketplace... BUT... It was WAY COOL and I wish I had one as a collectors item...

~TMBS~
 
I'm curious what will happen when the cylinder and the top... er... bottom strap blows, and whether this was or wasn't part of the engineering and development and if it wasn't, why wasn't it. It must have been proof tested somewhere along the way, right?

I'm guessing that the first person who finds out will lose a finger or three.
 
My Attempt at Bloviation...

Great review, and congrats on the good luck with the pistol! Anyone else who has shot one of these or has some information the rest of us don't, please post away!

I've been following the progress of these Rhino's for a while, since I really do believe the concept has legs. The designer, Emilio Ghisoni, had lots of great ideas (see matebafan's website for details) but never really achieved widespread recognition, sort of a "Nikola Tesla" of revolvers, I guess. I'm always delighted to hear when someone has takes the plunge and buys one, even more so when it turns out well.

I've had the opportunity to handle a couple (I wish the local range or a friend would get one so I could finally shoot one). One had a good trigger but sloppily done tooling (band saw grooves on the end of the forcing cone, really?) and the other bound up terribly in SA mode (I needed both thumbs to cock it, and I'm used to a DA/SA .357 Smith N-frame). These two were 4" and 5" versions, respectively.

I find it interesting the OP had good experiences with the 2" snubs, because the most glowing reviews I've read on this line of pistols were all on the short barrels. The couple reviews I've seen citing specific issues (QC mainly) with the pistols being reviewed were on the longer barrels. I would think the same guts and tooling would be identical across the product line, but maybe not. It just seems like folks have better luck with the snubs.

Those nasty bits aside; the concept is clearly superior, or at least competitive with the typical barrel configuration. Especially at ranges where the sight offset is less of an issue, the reduced muzzle flip is very advantageous. The aesthetic design of the piece (I happen to like it) is easily the most creative thing in the revolver market in recent memory. The ergonomics are actually quite natural if you are not trained up on traditional revolver controls. The pull down cylinder release is especially pleasant. The grip angle is kinda weird, sort of "pirate pistol" like in that your wrist is rotated forward a bit more than usual, as in pointing a finger at something. It's something I could probably get used to.

As far as safety, the operating instructions clearly show how the pistol should be held to prevent powder burns that are (supposedly) easier to get with the low barrel position. Though not top-est of the line, Chiappa is a legitimate arms manufacturer certified to sell safe, quality arms in America. As an engineer (airplanes, not guns, but I'm learning...), I can assure everyone that Chiappa did their homework on this design's failure mechanisms (they had to to manufacture them legally). Personally, I'm not that much more comfortable with an uncontained explosion being <1" further from my hands. That's why I am careful when I reload, why I don't use wildcat recipes, and why I have health (and liability) insurance.

I'm glad this product came to market, and though I am not brave enough to plunk down cash for one just yet, I think that if/when Chiappa comes out with a version 2.0 it will be fantastic. Designer Emilio Ghisoni had one last stroke of brilliance - make a simpler version of the Unica 6 (or maybe just rip off that Russian pistol of the same name ;)). They just need to:

1. address the QC problems (sounds like they may have already)
2. come up with some simpler clockwork
3. get a better PR person (read up on the bungled RFID mess their distributor got Chiappa into)
4. make a cheaper version (6-800$ is a big gamble) that looks more traditional
5. find and publicize positive reviews like the one at the top of this thread to debunk skeptics
 
Thanks Kludge, I never thought of that. I will definitely never reload for my Rino. I have one of the earlier 200DS models, and I agree with the comments about it by "Mr. Bill".

For me it was a show and tell piece, and because of my dealer's connections I was the first kid on the block with one. In fact, I don't know of any other of our 800+ club members that has gotten one.

Kludge, I'm still thinking about your post: that is a scary thought. Hopefully the frame below the cylinder would be strong enough and the energy would go out the sides. I may stick to just shooting 38 SPCL factory loads. :)
 
I feel that the concept is a good one. However the one I got to handle and dry fire in a gun store had the most horrific trigger feel and weight. I'd still buy one if I KNEW that I could rework the guts to make the trigger pull feel more like a S&W with a Wolff spring kit sort of feel. But until I know that such a thing is doable I just won't be taking the plunge.

And it truly is a shame since it's a superlative concept that is hamstrung by a poor trigger pull.
 
INVITE TO TEST DRIVE MY RHINOs

FYI... If anyone finds themselves in the Milwaukee area, I will gladly let them spend some time with one of my Rhino Revolvers... :)

I'm available most any time... with some notice...

~TMBS~
 
I'm curious what will happen when the cylinder and the top... er... bottom strap blows, and whether this was or wasn't part of the engineering and development and if it wasn't, why wasn't it. It must have been proof tested somewhere along the way, right?

I'm guessing that the first person who finds out will lose a finger or three.
I Just examined S&W, Colt, Taurus, all 357, plus the Ruger LCR-357... Small and Medium frame in the Smith and Taurus... Medium only in the Colt... all against the Rhino construction...

There is no doubt... If any one of these guns is going to have a catastrophic failure in my hand I hope it will be the Rhino... Because it looks like my hand will be best protected if the Rhino blows... BUT it also looks like the Rhino is the least likely to fail... The Ruger LCR-357 looks most likely to fail (lightest construction)...

I have no reason to think that a properly mantained Rhino would have a catastrophic failure...

ALL REVOLVER USERS MUST BE CAUTIOUS OF THE CYLINDER GAP GAS BLAST...

~TMBS~
 
If I were a gun manufacturer, I would be testing my chambers to failure. There's no other way to know how strong the design is.

I want to see pictures of what happened when they filled the case with Bullseye.
 
I'd love to see some photos.

I handled one of these recently in a nearby gun store and my two criticisms were 1) it was way too expensive, and 2) it was ugly.

Yeah, I know that guns should be judged on what they do, but ever since time began, weapons and armor were admired for their beauty and craftsmanship. It was said that the wily Odysseus found Achilles at a girl's school (where he was sent by his mother, a goddess, to avoid what we now know as the Trojan War). He placed silks and other wonders on one table in a fair, and on the other he placed spears, swords and other weapons. When he spotted one of the "girls" hefting a sword and admiring it, he grabbed him, and the rest is history!

My library years ago had large books with color photos of Medieval armor and weapons. They were always fascinating because of the beauty. Some were brightly polished, while others had intricate designs. And when I became interested in guns, I visited local gun stores just to see the beauty of Colt Pythons, Gold Cups and emerging stainless guns. That said, I think the Rhino needs to be more affordable and it could use some beautification, to use LBJ's term.

I would like to see some photos, though.
 
kludge wrote:
If I were a gun manufacturer, I would be testing my chambers to failure. There's no other way to know how strong the design is.

I want to see pictures of what happened when they filled the case with Bullseye.

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I'm sure they must do overpreasure testing all the way to failure... They have to know what would happen in a catastophic failure...

I have not researched modern proofing requirements on production guns... I do recall that proofing requirements do vary by country and by certain import / export requirements...

The Rhino cylinder has 2 distinct proof marks on it... and the Frame has 4 distinct proof marks... I used a bright light and a magnifier to look at these... they sure are "purrtee"...

Maybe someone can shine some light on Italian firearms proofing requirements...???
 
So instead of some of the recoil going up to disperse the kinetic "equal and opposite reaction" it is directed straight back into the palm and wrist of the shooter... No thanks.

And seems like point of impact will be an inch lower than aim...
 
With the bore line lower than that of a traditional revolver, i expect the Rhino exhibits less muzzle flip. I can't make myself believe that a 1" shift in point of impact would be terribly important at the ranges where a snubbie is likely to be employed. I'll gladly try the Rhino
if I should get the chance.
 
So instead of some of the recoil going up to disperse the kinetic "equal and opposite reaction" it is directed straight back into the palm and wrist of the shooter... No thanks.

And seems like point of impact will be an inch lower than aim...

Ahhhhh... you have the physics correct... NOW THINK M16...!!! Eugene Stoner designed the M16 with a line of sight 2 inches above the barrel, this was to lower the line of recoil to directly into the shoulder and thus limiting the off-target muzzle rise... This is one of the main reasons that the M16 is so controllable, and that the AR15 has developed such a huge following...This design should be called a LBR (Low Barreled Rifle)...

The Rhino (BBR) is like a handgun version of an AR15 (LBR) design...

Petite ladies handle the Rhino single handed... no problems... So, unless you are under 5 feet / 110 pounds you would really enjoy shooting the Rhino...

The point of impact varies by your chosen sight picture... But technically it starts out about 1-3/8 low at the muzzle, and then rises to make the first crossing of the line of sight at 25-30 feet (depending on your ammo)... So at 12-15 feet if I aim at the tip of your nose I will hit you 3/4 of an inch higher (just below the bridge of your nose)... don't think that's going to help my target live a whole lot longer...

Keep in mind I do not fancy the Rhino (BBR) as a battlefield weapon... It is a close quarters emergency defense weapon... not an assault rifle or a sniper rifle...
 
I'd love to see some photos.

I handled one of these recently in a nearby gun store and my two criticisms were 1) it was way too expensive, and 2) it was ugly.

Yeah, I know that guns should be judged on what they do, but ever since time began, weapons and armor were admired for their beauty and craftsmanship. It was said that the wily Odysseus found Achilles at a girl's school (where he was sent by his mother, a goddess, to avoid what we now know as the Trojan War). He placed silks and other wonders on one table in a fair, and on the other he placed spears, swords and other weapons. When he spotted one of the "girls" hefting a sword and admiring it, he grabbed him, and the rest is history!

My library years ago had large books with color photos of Medieval armor and weapons. They were always fascinating because of the beauty. Some were brightly polished, while others had intricate designs. And when I became interested in guns, I visited local gun stores just to see the beauty of Colt Pythons, Gold Cups and emerging stainless guns. That said, I think the Rhino needs to be more affordable and it could use some beautification, to use LBJ's term.

I would like to see some photos, though.
Regarding the Price of the Rhino... The Model 200D has an MSRP of $739 and can easily be had for about $650...

S&W 357 Snubbies are not cheap either... MSRP from $729 to $1269...

Regarding "pretty" killing equipment:
I suppose we could ask our Marines to carry Remington 700 ADL rifles into battle... They wouldn't be very effective... BUT THEY WOULD LOOK GOOD...!!!

Here is a link to over 90,000 Images of Rhino Revolvers...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Rhin...v&sa=X&ei=xdO8ToPHEOrg0QHy0ZTsBA&ved=0CB0QsAQ

Here is a link to over 200 Rhino Revolver video clips and reviews on YouTube...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Rhino+revolver&aq=f
 
Thanks for the excellent review. The 200 has been on my short list since they came out. I have only handled one and it wasn't in my home state so I didn't purchase it. I love the .357 mag and now it seems to be mated to a controllable platform. I have a SP101 (2-1/4)and it is a tank but the hardest of my SD guns to control.

I do wish I had the opportunity to shoot one but the trigger on the one I tried was ok. Not too much different from the SP101. The size is about the same as I was able to compare it to the SP101.
 
I'm glad this product came to market, and though I am not brave enough to plunk down cash for one just yet, I think that if/when Chiappa comes out with a version 2.0 it will be fantastic. Designer Emilio Ghisoni had one last stroke of brilliance - make a simpler version of the Unica 6 (or maybe just rip off that Russian pistol of the same name ;)). They just need to:

1. address the QC problems (sounds like they may have already)
2. come up with some simpler clockwork
3. get a better PR person (read up on the bungled RFID mess their distributor got Chiappa into)
4. make a cheaper version (6-800$ is a big gamble) that looks more traditional
5. find and publicize positive reviews like the one at the top of this thread to debunk skeptics


I am likewise very intrigued by the Rhino, but I think I'm in line with the thinking above. I guess it's a bit of a vicious cycle for Chiappa (and every manufacturer). Regardless of the dollars I'm willing to invest in a gun, I'd want the gun to be just that one step further advanced from proof-of-concept. Hopefully, Chiappa doesn't sink the project, with all its innovations, because they aren't returning sufficient investment on their earlier runs!

I am all for innovation, outside-of-the-box thinking, and pushing the limits of technology -- I guess I just don't want to be the one paying for it... :eek:


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I'm glad they've worked for you and you like them.

Personally, concept, workmanship and function are irrelevant to me regarding this gun. It's just too darn ugly to live in my home. And I say this owning a Glock.
 
I just got one (a 40DS) and am frustrated I can't shoot it until Monday. To address some comments . . .

I think it is pretty.

The trigger is about the same as my S&W 686. DA pull is a little heavier but shorter. It feels more like a striker fired gun, because that is what it is. I can easily do DA, SA, cock it or de-cock it with one hand. I have short, thick fingers so this does not require some sort of long finger reach. The people saying it's too heavy must be used to ultra-light race guns.

Finding a holster is a b*tch. It does fit in my pocket though.

It is the same length as my 3" 686, even though my Rhino has a 1" longer barrel. It is lighter than my 686.

I do wish I had a good holster for it and that I could get a hi-viz front sight for it. Hopefully both will be available in time.
 
I just got one (a 40DS) and am frustrated I can't shoot it until Monday. To address some comments . . .

I think it is pretty.

The trigger is about the same as my S&W 686. DA pull is a little heavier but shorter. It feels more like a striker fired gun, because that is what it is. I can easily do DA, SA, cock it or de-cock it with one hand. I have short, thick fingers so this does not require some sort of long finger reach. The people saying it's too heavy must be used to ultra-light race guns.

Finding a holster is a b*tch. It does fit in my pocket though.

It is the same length as my 3" 686, even though my Rhino has a 1" longer barrel. It is lighter than my 686.

I do wish I had a good holster for it and that I could get a hi-viz front sight for it. Hopefully both will be available in time.
Call Chiappa and order part number 770-515... it is the red Hi-Viz front sight blade for the Rhino... It comes with two new little roll pins and take 30 seconds to install... If I remeber right it was $14.95...

Please come back with comments after you get to the range...

Later... Bill
 
I am likewise very intrigued by the Rhino, but I think I'm in line with the thinking above. I guess it's a bit of a vicious cycle for Chiappa (and every manufacturer). Regardless of the dollars I'm willing to invest in a gun, I'd want the gun to be just that one step further advanced from proof-of-concept. Hopefully, Chiappa doesn't sink the project, with all its innovations, because they aren't returning sufficient investment on their earlier runs!

I am all for innovation, outside-of-the-box thinking, and pushing the limits of technology -- I guess I just don't want to be the one paying for it... :eek:


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There is definitely a difference in the early Rhino product compared to what is now shipping...

You are correct... Chiappa should step-up and do free retro-fits of whatever they have done to improve the actions of these guns...

Here is a Link to a letter from Ron Norton at Chiappa from over a year ago that talks about Stage 1 , 2 & 3 trigger kits as alternative to the standard trigger set...
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/10/robert-farago/chiappa-prez-responds-to-ttag-rhino-review/

I think they are now producing the Rhino product with the "Stage 1" trigger hardware as standard... and if so, they should retrofit all the early guns...
 
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