Bolt guys and gals are gonna hate me!

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Bolt guys and gals are gonna hate me!

And here's why:

The calibers most suggested in a recent thread, "Best Hunting Rifle":

Not in any order ---
.30-06
.308
.270.

.30-06 and .308, being 'military rounds', might end up on some doggone Bureaucrat's (should be called Politburo member's) bad firearm list for being a military ammunition round, and only bolt-action folks that reload could finger their noses.

Let's back up the caliber chart, and action type, as a Plan B, ok?

Good Ol' American Lever action rifles, in the following calibers:

.30-30, for up to, and including larger Eastern Whitetail Deer, in either 150-grain, 170-grain, or 180-grain loads (bullet types usually suggested for tube magazines).

.35 Remington, for the same list, and can handle Eastern Black Bear.

.45-70, (yes, it is an older military round - but cannot be loaded in any Politburo-designated bolt-action or assault rifle), and add to the game list: elk (wapiti), moose, and most Alaskan-size bears, including those not invited to your 'hunting party'.

I listed only the most common lever action rifle calibers. I did not list the older, tried and true calibers, cursed to ammo scarcity/high price, or pistol caliber rifles, because most write-ups on pistol caliber rifles end at 80 yards.

There are many good brand names of lever action rifles that are acquirable in these calibers, both new in the box, and those that have picked up 'character' in the field, and still affordable for those strapped, in this present economy.

Now,there are those that do attach a scope to their lever actions, for various reasons, but I am of those who employed the older hunting methods, i.e., you did not shoot farther than you could see with the naked eye. You got closer to the intended game animal. I have heard, on handgun boards, of the 600-yard shot made by the late Elmer Keith. Yet, there can be only so many 'Elmer Keiths' in the world, and I am confident, that I am not one of them. So, in my confidence at the ranges that I know I can perform, consistently, I exercise my markmanship, and game acquisition.

I wish you all the confidence in your markmanship abilities, the knowledge to know where that limit exists, the opportunity to shoot a lever-action rifle and experience that sound peculiar to them, and the 'knowledge of the woods', to acquire that intended game, in the best manner, and with respect for that animal that you claimed, as yours.

Folks, whatcha think?
 
I think i'll hang on to my .30-06, thank you very much. I trust it to take any game animal in North America and in my mind, it is the perfect all around caliber for this continent.

I really doubt they are going to be banning the -06 in my lifetime, if they do I guess i'll have to get a new rifle.
 
Your post implies the .30-30 isn't good for black bear. There are lots of dead bears that would say otherwise if they could talk.
 
.30-06 and .308, being 'military rounds', might end up on some doggone Bureaucrat's (should be called Politburo member's) bad firearm list for being a military ammunition round, and only bolt-action folks that reload could finger their noses.

30-30, 35, and 45-70 can be and have been offered in bolt guns.

If 30-06 is banned there is no hope for 30-30 either.

You're thinking too much!!!
 
The only reason to consider a hunting cartridge in light of banning is if you plan on hunting in jurisdictions where that's a real concern (i.e. some countries in Africa which prohibit military calibers). In those cases, there's very often a practical duplicate cartridge which is not a military cartridge which may be substituted (i.e. 7mm-08 for .308)
 
Picking a hunting cartridge because you think the ammunition for it might be outlawed is a tremendously silly thing to do.

Same as I was thinking
 
45/70 is-was a military round. So scratch that

30-30 will penetrate most soft body armor. So that's gone too as a "cop killer" cartridge

35remington is an autoloader cartridge from the start, So that hits the road by the OP's logic




what was this thread about again????? Oh YEAH! I prefer thin crust "new york" style pizza over "Chicago" style any day of the week
 
Ok...so why don't we go with:
.243 for everything from Coyote to Pronghorn
.270 for everything from Whitetail to Black Bear
.35 Whelen or .375 H&H for everything bigger than black bear
 
If the Bureaucrats decide to ban calibers they might just go after your loved .30-30 for all we know too since its almost ballistic equal to the much more evil 7.62x39 and the case is even bigger so it MUST BE HIGH POWER EVIL KILLING ROUND. (rolls eyes and inserts sarcasm for anyone that can't tell)

Seriously tho, silly idea, just buy a couple cases of ammo and if all you are doing is hunting and shooting to practice for hunting you'll be set for quiet a while.

Now
Your post implies the .30-30 isn't good for black bear. There are lots of dead bears that would say otherwise if they could talk.

This isn't all he implies, heck the title of the thread and first few lines implies the .30-30 is only available as tube feed mag lever action, when in fact my bolt action rifle I inherited from my father is .30-30. I still swear he bought that lever action .308 for the lullz too. So not all the Bolt guys and gals are gonna be mad at ya.
 
in fact my bolt action rifle I inherited from my father is .30-30. I still swear he bought that lever action .308 for the lullz too.

your father definitely bought both of those for the lulz.
 
Plan B for me would be voting people out of Congress and fighting tooth and nail to have the bans revoked.

If you avoid something, because you are afraid it will be banned, that makes it all the easier for the politicians to go about banning it.
 
I use .308 on everything in the M1A configuration. I have the limited capacity hunting magazine, and for general plinking, the USGI 20 round magazines.

It suits me just fine.
 
A person creates misery in there own mind with thoughts of things they not need to worry about anyway.
 
I don't care about their planed ban. I have enough brass, bullets, powder and primers to keep me shooting for a very long time, and if they want my guns they will have to fight me for them. Any new law that outlaws firearms is a clear violation of our second amendment and I will no longer recognise that leadership. We all know what must happen then. ;)
 
no reason for any of it to be either/or
all six cartridges you named are "classics"
they earned their reputations the old fashioned way, they earned it

beware of people who tell you "the old rules don't apply" (they became old rules for good reasons); beware of the new & improved mega-magnum-whizzin-boomers, untested, unproven

why not just own and enjoy both, no reason to choose one exclusively over the others - bolts and levers - and you could always throw a BLR in the mix, a lever operated bolt gun
 
A bolt action .30-06 is probably the most unlikely arm to ever be banned aside from a .22 and 12ga pumpgun.

Should that black day ever come, people will be up in arms---literally.

Don't think there's much chance of your favorite deer rifle being banned---so get over it.
 
If they decide to take my rifle I will give it to them....one shot at a time LOL. I really see it coming, a govenrment that does not hear the people should fear it's people.
The 30-06 is one of the top ten most proven hunting rifles of all time. 30-30, 6.5x55, and 45-70 have an even longer reputation as hunting rifles.
 
Savage 99 in 243, beautiful gun super accurate but alas I sold it I have no idea why
after 30 years.
 
Sorry, but I can outshoot all your leverguns with my .308, if this is about hunting, then it should be in the hunting section, but .308, .30-06, and .270, are better than everything you listed for general shooting, and I'd take a .30-06 or .308 over any of those unless bear hunting, and it that situation, I would use a .338 Winchester Magnum, that I would have to go out and buy, since I am not a bear hunter.
 
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