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Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by dagger dog, Mar 15, 2008.

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  1. dagger dog

    dagger dog Member

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    He carried a Beretta .25 caliber in the early stories that was replaced with a Walther PPK .

    I my early years I owned a small Beretta .25 ACP. I have tried to find this pistol in several reference books in my possesion with no luck.

    I know that time can cloud memory but if mine serves me right I remember this pistol resembeling the PPorPPK or copies, just smaller don't rember the model number other than the cal.
    When seeing the different .25 ACP pistols in the Beretta line they all seem to be of a rather square design. The pistol in question had those sleek PP lines and was sized proportionatley. The dates that the pistol was in my possesion were 1963-1967.

    Does anyone have any insight into this model? :banghead:
     
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    If it was a Beretta .25 in 1963, it almost had to be a 950B Minx shown above.

    If it had a tip-up barrel, it was a 950B.

    The earlier Beretta .25 318 (1935 - 1946) and 418 (1947 - 1954) were even more blocky and strange looking.

    The Walther TPH looks like a PPK, only it wasn't available back then. It was introduced in 1971 and could not be imported due to the 68 GCA.

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  4. dagger dog

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    No it wasn't a Jet Fire .25 or the 22 short version, what did they call that one the Minx ? I have the model 21A in .22 long rifle so that model is familiar.My dad had a copy of the TPH made by Iver Johnson .You're
    right about the dating on the TPH it's later. But the pistol I remember was of that design damn near a copy of it but in 25 ACP or what ever the European designation is 6.35mm auto?

    This pistol was old enough to precede the GCA 1968, and with the inception of those laws it may have been forced out of importation to this country.

    On the other hand it may be that this thing I called a brain is really just a shriveled up english wallnut!
     
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    beretta pre-68

    the lower right one?
     

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    It was a Beretta 418..

    ..with a taped grip and a "sawn barrel", whatever that means. Ian Flemming was not a gun guy. Hope this helps.
     

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    Great Scot

    You're correct with the Beretta; it was a Model 418. But Ian Fleming knew something about guns, just not semi-autos. At one point he owned a Colt Official Police (I believe he may even have posed with it for a book jacket photo), and supposedly he received one for his wartime work from certain well placed U.S. Intelligence officials.
     
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    Ian Fleming wrote Chitty Chitty Bang Bang :uhoh:
     
  9. dagger dog

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    Love those old adds . I remember the ones in American Rifleman, offering '03 Springfields and 98 mausers for 20-30 bucks delivered to you door! Man if those days were still here.

    Back to the Name That Pistol, was Bersa, Or (I might misspell this one)
    Bernadelli offering a .25 in the time frame I was talkig about.
    I know in latter years Bernadelli had the Model 80 a ppk size knockoff in .22lr or .380 auto I owned one in .22lr not a Walther but a damned nice pistol, but any way what I was getting at , I might have been owner of some thing else other than a Beretta!

    Was any one producing a pistol of those descriptions other than Beretta?
     
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    hmm, that doesn't really look like th eone I am remembering (they show it in a few scenes in earlier movies) but perhaps.

    What I always wondered with the Bond movies is how he never ended up carrying a Hipower--straight from a PPK to the Walther P99, whereas I thought the Hipower was pretty standard fare for many years with the brits...
     
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    in the books it was a beretta 318 or 418. "taped grip"means thw grips were taken off to make the gun thinner.

    in the movie dr. no the bretta he has to give up is a 1934.

    the gun he gets is a walther pp not a ppk.

    throughout the movies he just has whatever small gun the propmaster has. most of the time it is a ppk. in dr. no he has a browning 1910 with silencer. for one scene. in the spy who loves me he has a beretta m70 in one scene.
    all i can think of off the top of my head.
     
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    Mr. Bond stared off life with a Beretta 418 in a Chamois shoulder holster and a .45 Colt ( I assume a 1911) under the dash of his car. Moonraker. Mr Fleming also had Bond (in one of the books) carrying a automatic pistol in a Berns-Martin shoulder holster. As we all know, the Berns-Martin was for revolvers only.
     
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