Black Majik
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Sig P232 or a HK P7 would be great choices. Small and compact
The gun Bond SHOULD have had...
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The_Shootist
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Updated Bond Gun
Beretta 85 Cheetah (.380).
Small, well crafted and with a popular European calibre.
Beretta 85 Cheetah (.380).
Small, well crafted and with a popular European calibre.
The Reverend
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Guns for Bond
Mr Bond was a spy... yes... but he was issued a "00" number (ie a license to kill), so he was an assassin as well. He functioned world-wide, and needed to function in a way that he did not leave a calling card, necessarily.
Because of the necessity of international travel, the 9mm is the obvious choice due to its availability just about everywhere.
The gun or guns would have to be concealable yes, but certainly not a one gun show. Multiple weapons should be available for mission varity, dress, and climate.
The Kahr K9/P9 or one its varients is an obvious selection. They are all business and are very simple to operate, reliable to a fault, and accurate for their size.
I am absolutely shocked
that more of you didnt recommend one of the SIG classics. The P225 would be the BEST all arround choice, I think with the P239 in a close second. The P228 would be a hi- cap alternative.
In out of doors conditions, skiing, where distance may be an issue the SIG P210 would be the weapon of choice with one of the smaller sidearms as a back up.
Where missions require something different, Q branch can issue what is needed.
The P99 was a commercial decision pure and simple. If realism was a concern the P99, despite its being a decent tool, is probably not the real choice.
Peter
Mr Bond was a spy... yes... but he was issued a "00" number (ie a license to kill), so he was an assassin as well. He functioned world-wide, and needed to function in a way that he did not leave a calling card, necessarily.
Because of the necessity of international travel, the 9mm is the obvious choice due to its availability just about everywhere.
The gun or guns would have to be concealable yes, but certainly not a one gun show. Multiple weapons should be available for mission varity, dress, and climate.
The Kahr K9/P9 or one its varients is an obvious selection. They are all business and are very simple to operate, reliable to a fault, and accurate for their size.
I am absolutely shocked
that more of you didnt recommend one of the SIG classics. The P225 would be the BEST all arround choice, I think with the P239 in a close second. The P228 would be a hi- cap alternative.In out of doors conditions, skiing, where distance may be an issue the SIG P210 would be the weapon of choice with one of the smaller sidearms as a back up.
Where missions require something different, Q branch can issue what is needed.
The P99 was a commercial decision pure and simple. If realism was a concern the P99, despite its being a decent tool, is probably not the real choice.
Peter
Geoffrey Boothroyd told me that some fans had even suggested arming Bond with cap-and-ball .44 Remingtons! Some of the answers here haven't been much better.
Keep in mind that he has to appear unarmed on most occasions! And the ammo must be available in most countries.
When Fleming referred to a "sawn" barrel, as on the Detective Special that Bond had under hs pillow in, "Casino Royale", he evidently wasn't aware that the guns came from the Colt factory as snubs! He really should have just said, "short" barrel.
Taping the grip safety on the Beretta .25 also wasn't too swift, as the tape would loosen or stretch with time and no longer hold the grip safety all the way down. Nor was the tape in lieu of the grip panels going to make the gun much flatter. (The Beretta was either the Model 318 or 418, not the later M950, which has no grip safety.)
Boothroyd wrote a very good article in "Sports Illustrated" about Bond's guns. It may have been the last gun article that ran in that rag! If memory serves, it was in April or May of 1962 or 1963. Many libraries have back issues, sometimes on film. It's well worth looking for. I think it may have been April 19, 1962.
By the way, when Fleming armed Bond with the Centennial in, "Dr. No", he screwed up. Boothroyd had suggested a S&W M27 .357 for the car gun, and for heavy duty generally, with the Centennial as his "always" gun. He had in mind partly that the .38 ammo would fit either gun. Fleming liked small autos, and went for the PPK. He then confused the two revolvers. This was before he bought his own Centennial.
In "Dr, No", the villain's men were armed with .30 US carbines and what Fleming called "the usual model" of Smith & Wesson .38 revolver. That one is easy to figure out: he meant the M&P/Model 10. In .38/200 caliber, it was a mainstay of British forces during Fleming's war service, and he probably saw many of them. Dr. No probably issued .38 Specials, though. Either Victory Models, or the commerical M10. His base wasn't too far from the US, after all.
Johnny Guest-
You almost never make a mistake, but I read that article in , "The American Rifleman" that Boothroyd sent to Fleming, and the gun you said was a Steyr .32 was actually a Sauer M38. I'm guessing that you just had a momentary synapse lapse...the guns compared in the article were foreign autos that had seen WW II service, compared to the US M1911A-1 .45.
I hope you see this as an observation, not as a criticism.
Lone Star
Keep in mind that he has to appear unarmed on most occasions! And the ammo must be available in most countries.
When Fleming referred to a "sawn" barrel, as on the Detective Special that Bond had under hs pillow in, "Casino Royale", he evidently wasn't aware that the guns came from the Colt factory as snubs! He really should have just said, "short" barrel.
Taping the grip safety on the Beretta .25 also wasn't too swift, as the tape would loosen or stretch with time and no longer hold the grip safety all the way down. Nor was the tape in lieu of the grip panels going to make the gun much flatter. (The Beretta was either the Model 318 or 418, not the later M950, which has no grip safety.)
Boothroyd wrote a very good article in "Sports Illustrated" about Bond's guns. It may have been the last gun article that ran in that rag! If memory serves, it was in April or May of 1962 or 1963. Many libraries have back issues, sometimes on film. It's well worth looking for. I think it may have been April 19, 1962.
By the way, when Fleming armed Bond with the Centennial in, "Dr. No", he screwed up. Boothroyd had suggested a S&W M27 .357 for the car gun, and for heavy duty generally, with the Centennial as his "always" gun. He had in mind partly that the .38 ammo would fit either gun. Fleming liked small autos, and went for the PPK. He then confused the two revolvers. This was before he bought his own Centennial.
In "Dr, No", the villain's men were armed with .30 US carbines and what Fleming called "the usual model" of Smith & Wesson .38 revolver. That one is easy to figure out: he meant the M&P/Model 10. In .38/200 caliber, it was a mainstay of British forces during Fleming's war service, and he probably saw many of them. Dr. No probably issued .38 Specials, though. Either Victory Models, or the commerical M10. His base wasn't too far from the US, after all.
Johnny Guest-
You almost never make a mistake, but I read that article in , "The American Rifleman" that Boothroyd sent to Fleming, and the gun you said was a Steyr .32 was actually a Sauer M38. I'm guessing that you just had a momentary synapse lapse...the guns compared in the article were foreign autos that had seen WW II service, compared to the US M1911A-1 .45.
I hope you see this as an observation, not as a criticism.
Lone Star
Spieler
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Boothroyd wrote an article called 'I Armed James Bond' for the May/June 1985 edition of 'The Handgunner'.
He loaned Fleming a much-modified .38/200 S&W M&P for the painting that appears on the front cover of the 1st edition of 'From Russia With Love'. It was painted by the trompe l'oeil artist Richard Chopping, who had also done the cover for Raymond Chandler's The Simple Art Of Murder. Chopping said the gun was 'the very devil to paint' but the result was a winner.
He loaned Fleming a much-modified .38/200 S&W M&P for the painting that appears on the front cover of the 1st edition of 'From Russia With Love'. It was painted by the trompe l'oeil artist Richard Chopping, who had also done the cover for Raymond Chandler's The Simple Art Of Murder. Chopping said the gun was 'the very devil to paint' but the result was a winner.
HankB
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Several people have suggested the HK4, H&K's low budget crappy rip-off of the Mauser HSc.
A friend of mine had one of these junkers - the only pistol I've ever seen with a broken frame. When you pulled the trigger, you never knew if you'd get 1, 2, or 3 shots with one squeeze.
For 1964, I'd have to go with a "doctored up" BHP. Or maybe, for deep cover, a Mauser HSc - with its nearly flush hammer, it's sleeker than a PPK.
For today, one of those special Glocks - you know, the ones they make out of porecelain so they're invisible to X-rays. (OOPS, never mind, that was in a Bruce Willis movie.)
A friend of mine had one of these junkers - the only pistol I've ever seen with a broken frame. When you pulled the trigger, you never knew if you'd get 1, 2, or 3 shots with one squeeze.
For 1964, I'd have to go with a "doctored up" BHP. Or maybe, for deep cover, a Mauser HSc - with its nearly flush hammer, it's sleeker than a PPK.
For today, one of those special Glocks - you know, the ones they make out of porecelain so they're invisible to X-rays. (OOPS, never mind, that was in a Bruce Willis movie.)
Johnny Guest
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Too bleedin' right, myte - -
Lone Star, you very correctly diagnosed the problem: Aggravated intermittent cerebral flatulence. When I wrote that, I had a pretty clear visualization of the page of the novel on which the MAJ Boothroyd expounded about his testing - - It was on the right-hand page of a paperback edition, in fact. And, worse, I was recalling handling one example, the last time I fired one.
CERTAINLY it was the Sauer M38, not Steyr - - Don't believe the latter ever did an M38. Right model, wrong manufacturer. Oh, well, the word begins with "S" and ends with "R." Better than I sometimes do.
Johnny
Lone Star, you very correctly diagnosed the problem: Aggravated intermittent cerebral flatulence. When I wrote that, I had a pretty clear visualization of the page of the novel on which the MAJ Boothroyd expounded about his testing - - It was on the right-hand page of a paperback edition, in fact. And, worse, I was recalling handling one example, the last time I fired one.CERTAINLY it was the Sauer M38, not Steyr - - Don't believe the latter ever did an M38. Right model, wrong manufacturer. Oh, well, the word begins with "S" and ends with "R." Better than I sometimes do.
Absolutely, sir. No offense taken. Glad you caught it.
Johnny
Brass
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CZ-83.. Classic gun for a spy.
kimbernut
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Update for the Bond Gun
A Lecke (Q if you must)chopped and channeled Browning Hi-Power would be just about perfect.
A Lecke (Q if you must)chopped and channeled Browning Hi-Power would be just about perfect.
Suomipoika
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Desert Eagle ofcourse!!!
but maybe Glock would be good.
but maybe Glock would be good.
In Live and Let Die (1973) wasn't 007 carrying a Model 29 w/6" barrel? I'm serious here. Of course the movie takes place in New Orleans and it was 1973 - Dirty Harry and his 44 had swept the movie world at that time. If I remeber though Bond strapped on the cannon becasue he was going into the bad guys lair. Still Bond with a 44 magnum? Is my memory serving me correctly?
tiberius
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Checkman, Your memory serves.
Bond....James Bond
Yeah, recently I saw a few of the Bond flicks over the holiday marathons!
Paid attention and spotted lots of silliness.
In Dr No, he turned in a Beretta M70 rather than the smaller framed Beretta. He offs the bad guy with a suppressed browning(M1910 I believe)The he launches a recon of Cape Key with the Walther in his back pocket, no reloads and wearing a light blue outfit that was not terribly tactical.
Roger Moore launches his offensive recon on voodoo island with a 6 shot 44 mag and no reloads.
Actually I would suscribe to multiple weapons to meet his various needs...and 'Q' branch would be the ones getting the gear about in diplomatic pouches....trying to sneak around with a gun on your person or in your luggage on airlines could be done then, but now?
For the sixties a Beretta M70 .380 for concealment....eaily suppressed, and a similar feel/operation on the main gun which would have to be a P35. An Uzi or Sterling for recon missions.
Though I do not subscribe to the global caliber need...cause Q would get his ammo to him with the gun...I am tempted to say a Commander for Commander Bond!
Being an American has little to do with knowing the tools of the trade and that superior stopping power is a highly desired feature on a gun that you will use to keep yous ??? alive when you intend to go into harms way.
And if I was running about the world doing commando, assasination special operations... a suppressable, light 45 auto would be my first choice.
Pierce Brosnan is, by far, the most accurate portrayal of my image of Bond....and SEAL type Commando that has blended in with his high class environment.....assasin, spy, a guy that gets the job done.
The P99 may not be the best choice, but it is far better than the mousegun that he carried(hits like a brick through plate glass?)
Some opinions,
Jercamp45
Yeah, recently I saw a few of the Bond flicks over the holiday marathons!
Paid attention and spotted lots of silliness.
In Dr No, he turned in a Beretta M70 rather than the smaller framed Beretta. He offs the bad guy with a suppressed browning(M1910 I believe)The he launches a recon of Cape Key with the Walther in his back pocket, no reloads and wearing a light blue outfit that was not terribly tactical.
Roger Moore launches his offensive recon on voodoo island with a 6 shot 44 mag and no reloads.
Actually I would suscribe to multiple weapons to meet his various needs...and 'Q' branch would be the ones getting the gear about in diplomatic pouches....trying to sneak around with a gun on your person or in your luggage on airlines could be done then, but now?
For the sixties a Beretta M70 .380 for concealment....eaily suppressed, and a similar feel/operation on the main gun which would have to be a P35. An Uzi or Sterling for recon missions.
Though I do not subscribe to the global caliber need...cause Q would get his ammo to him with the gun...I am tempted to say a Commander for Commander Bond!
Being an American has little to do with knowing the tools of the trade and that superior stopping power is a highly desired feature on a gun that you will use to keep yous ??? alive when you intend to go into harms way.
And if I was running about the world doing commando, assasination special operations... a suppressable, light 45 auto would be my first choice.
Pierce Brosnan is, by far, the most accurate portrayal of my image of Bond....and SEAL type Commando that has blended in with his high class environment.....assasin, spy, a guy that gets the job done.
The P99 may not be the best choice, but it is far better than the mousegun that he carried(hits like a brick through plate glass?)
Some opinions,
Jercamp45
Rob Pincus
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CAPTAIN MIKE
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...BUT OF COURSE....
Commander Bond should carry a Kimber 1911 in a studly fashion....
...Shaken, Not Stirred.
Commander Bond should carry a Kimber 1911 in a studly fashion....
...Shaken, Not Stirred.
La Pistoletta
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No, no, we can't very well have Bond saying "shaken, naht stIRRed", American style, can we?
What about the H&K P2000?
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hk_p2000.jpg
Or the Five-seveN?
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/fn-five7.jpg
What about the H&K P2000?
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hk_p2000.jpg
Or the Five-seveN?
http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/fn-five7.jpg
modifiedbrowning
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What's the problem with the Walther P99? Many of the alternative suggestions are the same size or larger pistols. I personally think Bond should carry a Walther P-5C. I believe he did have a P-5 in at least one of the movies with Timothy Dalton, License To Kill, maybe?
The SIG P232 looks good. It's also accurate and highly reliable.
Part of me would like to think he would carry a Glock 26 or Glock 33. Nice to have all that firepower in a compact, reliable package.
Maybe for power and good looks in a sall package he would carry a Kahr MK9 Elite.
Rich
Part of me would like to think he would carry a Glock 26 or Glock 33. Nice to have all that firepower in a compact, reliable package.
Maybe for power and good looks in a sall package he would carry a Kahr MK9 Elite.
Rich
Penforhire
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Well, I see it like this, Bond's shooting is all about shot placement. So caliber and capacity are much less significant. I like the 9 mm and smaller for that reason. He has spy-explosives to blow things up.
It has to be small because he almost always carries and often dresses sharply.
It can't be a 1911 or BHP design just because they are American in flavor. For similar reason I'm not so keen on German makes. Is there a high-class English handgun? I mean, he gets good English sports cars...
It has to be small because he almost always carries and often dresses sharply.
It can't be a 1911 or BHP design just because they are American in flavor. For similar reason I'm not so keen on German makes. Is there a high-class English handgun? I mean, he gets good English sports cars...
Joe Demko
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There is, or was, a very well made CZ-75 clone called the Spitfire. IIRC, it was virtually hand made.
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