Border politics and racism

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I'm all for ESL (English as a 2nd language) in schools. That is the path to assimilation. But voter materials? That burns me up. English is our national language. Learn it or don't vote. Nothing racist about that. Perhaps bigoted against morons, but not racist.
 
When did they start calling them "Agents?" Spiffy FBI-style public relations term, if you ask me. Back when my Dad (and Jordan, and Askins, and ... ) were in the BP, they just called 'em PIs (Patrol Inspectors) or "officers." Seriously ... when?
Well back when my grandfather was in (same time as your dad, Jordan, Askins, Skelton, etc) they were called PI’s. Near as I can tell here is a short terminology history. Originally they went by the term(s) Mounted Guards, Mounted Inspectors and Mounted Watchmen, these terms were used even before the “Border Patrol†was created in 1924. The term “Patrol Inspector†(and for a short period of time, “Immigration Inspectorâ€) was used up until about 1960. Round about in there President Kennedy ordered Border Patrol Agents to fly commercially do deal with hijackings; modern day air-marshals. After that seems to be when the term agent took over for PI.
 
pax said:
Sealing the borders sounds like a good plan.

Keeping the border sealed was one of the things that bankrupted the old Soviet Union.

pax

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat its errors; those who do will find new ways to err. -- unknown
That's all well and good Pax, but do you have a better idea?


I dont see you as a open doors and unlocked car kinda gal at home, so why would you want our country to be ran that way? :confused: :scrutiny:
 
DocZinn said:
Sindawe:
You mentioned sending money back to Mexico. So many of them do it, in fact, that money sent from Mexicans in the US is Mexico's second-largest source of income!
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i think that is true with every wave of immigrants sending money back home
my wife is an immigrant

one more thing to note i truly believe the immigration process was a hell of a lot easier 60-150 years ago

and just to clarify my position i wish they would stop illegal aliens cause there presence has a negative effect in my career path as far as wages are concerned (along with my dissappearing benefits)
compare this from 1870 ellis island to what the prcedure is now

Group One Immediate Arrival
The ferry landed in a slip next to the main Ellis Island building. A gangplank was put down and a man was at the bottom shouting that men should go one way and women and children the other. The immigration official would examine them for admission. The newcomers came off their ship with their baggage. Their outer garments were tagged with their manifest number from the steamship, a card often seen in photographs. After they walked into the building they went directly to the Baggage Room. where they were told to check their belongings. Many chose to carry their belongings with them because they were afraid of theft.

Group Two The Medical Inspection
It is their job to observe the immigrants as they walk single file up the grand staircase that led to the second floor Registry Room. As they made their way upstairs, medical officers observed their movements in what became known as the six second exam. They were looking for any obvious deformities or medical problems. Experienced inspectors were able to take in six details in one glance; namely, the scalp, face, hands, neck, gait and general condition. If anything unusual was noted, the immigrant would be stopped and a closer examination would be done. Next, came a more formal inspection. One of the most famous exams was for the eye disease known as trachoma. Examination was done with a buttonhook, a metal instrument used to button gloves. It was used to pull the eyelid back to exam for signs of this infection. Immigrants with medical problems were identified by marking their outer garments with white chalk. Abbreviations were used for the various problems, H for heart problems, Pg for pregnancy, E for eye problems, L for lameness . The intelligence of the immigrants was tested due to laws that had been passed excluding "idiots, imbeciles or morons and other mentally deficient persons." Students should be told that it was not always easy for medical examiners to test for mental deficiency. Students should be reminded that answers to questions asked by examiners might indicate just being stressed and nervous rather than from mental deficiency. It was often times very difficult to make the correct diagnosis. Immigrants who had obvious symptoms of mental or physical problems were sent to the examination room. Here, they would receive a more detailed examination. If they passed the examination they would be sent back to join the main group, If they did not pass, they would be held on the island in separate dormitories until they were cured so they could enter the United States. Immigrants not cleared for entry were deported back to their country of origin.

Group Three The Legal Inspection
After the medical inspection, the legal inspectors asked a series of questions already posed to the immigrants by the shipping companies. The inspectors asked the same kinds of questions to see if the answers matched.

The inspector would be assisted by interpreters when needed and a registry clerk recorded their responses. Immigrants were told that it was to their advantage to show letters from friends and relatives already living in the U.S. The questioning only lasted two to three minutes, but to those involved it probably seemed like forever. Immigrants who gave answers that were questionable were then sent to a special inquiry board. The boards of inquiry were independent tribunals. Their decisions were final and not subject to court review. Inconsistent responses might result in further examination. The objective was to exclude people who might become public charges, act immorally, or cause social unrest. The following questions are from Do People Grow on Trees by Ira Wolfman. These were typical questions asked by inspectors:


1. What is your name?
2. How old are you?
3. Are you married or single
4. What is your calling or occupation?
5. Are you able to read or write?
6. What is your nationality?
7. Where was your last residence?
8. Which U.S. seaport have you landed in?
9. What is your final destination in the U.S.?
10. Do you have a ticket to your final destination?
11. Did you pay for your passage over? If not, who did?
12. Do you have much money with you? More than $30.? How much less? More?
13. Are you going to join a relative? What relative? Name ?Address?
14. Have you ever been to the U.S. before?
15. Have you ever been in prison? in a poorhouse or supported by charity?
16. Are you a polygamist?
17. Are you under contract, expressed or implied to perform labor in the U.S.?
18. What is the condition of your health?
19. Are you deformed or crippled? .
 
Mara Salvatrucha .

Anybody heard of them?
They are an El Salvadoran street gang based in Los Angeles.
They smuggle a lot of drugs and illegals across our borders.
On the local Fox affiliate last night, there was a member who came forward to say that he had been contacted by Al Quaeda and offered large sums of money to smuggle in members.
The El Salvadorian government is meeting with Los Angeles LE to coordinate efforts against this problem.

Anybody remember a while back, hearing about Chechen terrorists trying to sneak across our border? Here's an article:http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=74269&Disp=All
And here's a little bit more about Mara Salvatrucha:http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/ms/ms_001.htm

Sindawe is right.
Close the borders. Mine them.
Legal immigrants should be made welcome.
Illegals get no sympathy from me.
 
Wow!

that site is so far right they still believe in a flat earth
seriously
why would any terrorist group want to come thru the mexican border?
canada is way easier
this web site wants the ACLU gone
isnt rush limbaugh using the ACLU to keep his dope er i mean legal prescription records private?
 
never heard of the chechen terorists
looked it up
thats pretty scary havent heard nothing since october
maybe even scarier
 
isnt rush limbaugh using the ACLU to keep his dope er i mean legal prescription records private?

I've been additcted to drugs.

Thankfully, I was in the hospital because I was pretty banged up and therefore had a prescription for the drugs I was taking. But I was addicted.

It was really tough to get off of them.

Being addicted does not make you a "bad person" or a "threat to society", and should not make you criminal.

We have a really screwed up legal system.
 
so you had a radio show too
and to your millions of listeners you proclaimed drug addicts were scum also?

We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs, we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec. 9, 1993

"I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say people are going to do drugs anyway let's legalize it. It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea and those who are for it are purely 100 percent selfish."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993

"If (Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders) wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich, and let's be rid of them.
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993

"There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995
 
so you had a radio show too
and to your millions of listeners you proclaimed drug addicts were scum also?

We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs, we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec. 9, 1993

Nope, no radio show.

I didn't say that Rush wasn't a hypocrite (your posts prove that), I said he shouldn't be a criminal. :)

I disagree with Rush on many things. That doesn't mean he should go to prison for his beliefs. Hopefully, Rush now has better insight as to being an addict.
 
Let's see... 1993 and 1995 - 9 to 11 years ago. And when did he (Rush) start having the problem(s) - ears, etc?

Humans sometimes have to chew on their words due to circumstances not previously experienced.
 
>never heard of the chechen terorists
>looked it up
>thats pretty scary havent heard nothing since october
>maybe even scarier


Yes, indeed. And what is scarier, is that it has been linked to a CD found on Iraq. And one of the towns mentioned on that CD is the town my child goes to school in. The Government was here and told us not to worry...

And further back in time ( 2002? in Afghanistan ) they found video tapes of terrorists training to take over schools, and they had been training in english.

My fear is that they are here to hurt our kids.

Here is some cheery news:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002095360_raids19m.html

This is my favorite part:
"In a related case in King County Superior Court, prosecutors in October filed assault and extortion charges against some individuals associated with an Islamic religious school run out of a South Seattle barbershop. The school was "training children ... in Anti American rhetoric," and "how to shoot and fight the Americans," according to court documents."
 
what i said was a dig at rush limbuagh
another extreme right wing lying hypocrite

in reply to iron barr
yeah thats about the time he was treated for his butt problem and became addicted to pills

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Er, ok.

Now, back to the topic of this thread: Border Politics and Racism.

Yes, indeed. And what is scarier, is that it has been linked to a CD found on Iraq. And one of the towns mentioned on that CD is the town my child goes to school in. The Government was here and told us not to worry...

And further back in time ( 2002? in Afghanistan ) they found video tapes of terrorists training to take over schools, and they had been training in english.

Yes, I have heard of this too. It is things like this that makes me wonder why the hell the National Guard hasn't been called to seal the border. Considering what the nation went through after Columbine I think that trained terrorists attacking multiple schools would be on the top of Al Qaeda's list.

Also, why the hell can't teachers carry in school? The Liberal media has done it's absolute best in hiding the fact that at least one school shooting was foiled by an armed teacher.

Must be the same reason pilots still can't carry (except for a very few that have managed to jump through a million hoops).
 
Fletchette - Great question...

Also, why the hell can't teachers carry in school? The Liberal media has done it's absolute best in hiding the fact that at least one school shooting was foiled by an armed teacher.
I am in firm belief that we will experience the ugliest of events - attacks on schools. Of all heart-wrenching events this would be cataclysmic - personal to us all. I believe that gov't at every level should be sympathetic and helpful in allowing local volunteer armed patrols to provide school property and event security & defense. This is a mission the unorganized militia can - and should - be doing. And now - not after an incident.

-Andy
 
seriously scary i hope it is a bogus info
i think i know why they attacked a school (beslan)
remember when they attacked a concert hall
russian commandos gassed them with some kind a of aerosolised valium
some people od'ed and died cause of it
by taking over a school you have people of different body mass
so you cant gas them cause what you would need to subdue an adult would kill a child
 
No, they attacked the school because raping and killing children is the most inhuman action they could think of and therefore had the greatest shock value. The ability to hide behind children and use them as human shields in various ways was a bonus.

And yes, it can happen here, particularly now that they've seen that it "works."
 
they were always going to kill the children but i think they wanted it prolonged so they could get there "message" out
that is why they chose a school . shock value and they wre immunised against another gas attack that would knock them out
 
AQ has specifically claimed the right to murder 2 million US children because of our atrocities around the world.

AQ has trained in Afghanistan on hitting a school. We have video tapes and instruction manuals.

AQ surrogates did the Russian school.

An Iraqi was picked up in country with a CD consisting of files pulled from the DoE website detailing security plans for 6 school districts (IIRC) around the US.

The FBI is quite concerned over the insertion as a unit of armed combat teams over the southern border.

Yea, we will get hit. American education factories are big juicy undefended targets of huge terror value. And when it happens (not if it happens) I hope the president on duty who has absolutely refused to do anything to hinder border crossers has the moral courage to 'fess up and resign. The joker has has 3 years of warnings and has yet to make any meaningful attempts to control the southern border.
 
waitone...

Is this a potential replay of the Roosevelt/Pearl Harbor thing - to gird us for a greater war effort?

If so, it'll probably fail since we've already been hit.

Wonder what the next ten years'll be like?!
 
Waitone

" And when it happens (not if it happens) I hope the president on duty who has absolutely refused to do anything to hinder border crossers has the moral courage to 'fess up and resign. The joker has has 3 years of warnings and has yet to make any meaningful attempts to control the southern border."

x ring my friend

S-
 
Fletchette said:
I have no problem with them coming here. If I were born in another country I'd do anything to get here too! But I would think it would be better to come here and be a full-fledged citizen rather than a semi-slave. Why doesn't the Hispanic vote lobby to make *legal* immigration easier? Instead, they seem to be supporting policy that makes them second-class citizens.
Sorry, I've been away from this thread for a couple of days.

The reason they don't lobby is that the people who should be doing the lobbying -- their elected representatives -- don't want to. It's not the Anglos who want to keep them in a state of semi-slavery, it's Hispanic politicians and power brokers. These are the same people who push hard for Spanish language documents in every area of life. They don't want their constituents to become fluent in English because then they (the power brokers) can't control the information they feed their constituents. If your constituents speak (and read) only Spanish, and there's only one Spanish-language newspaper they can get that covers your jusrisdiction, it becomes easy to control the information that gets to your constituents. Once you let them learn to read English so they can understand the other newspapers, magazines, and television stations in the area, they are no longer a captive audience.
 
Ahhhhhhh....
So nice to talk with people who "get it", for a change. So very few in this communist hell hole understand.......I can't wait to leave CA.

I'm so tired of being painted as racist for saying illegals are felons, and should be deported.
 
Fletchette said:
Yes, I have heard of this too. It is things like this that makes me wonder why the hell the National Guard hasn't been called to seal the border. Considering what the nation went through after Columbine I think that trained terrorists attacking multiple schools would be on the top of Al Qaeda's list.
Substitute "Army" for "National Guard" and I'll be on board. The problem with using the National Guard is that the Guard is supposed to be primarily a state defense force, available to the national government in time of war or national emergency.

Yes, you can argue that being infiltrated by terrorists is a type of emergency, but I submit that in the context of the National Guard, the use of the term "emergency" has a connotation of a finite time frame. The Guard is made up of ordinary people, with ordinary jobs and responsibilities. It wasn't intended that Guardsmen (and women) become full-time professional soldiers. But that's what is needed to seal the borders. Gotta do both. If we seal the Mexican border they'll come in from the north. Canada won't be as easy as Mexico, but if we deprive them of Mexico they'll use Canada. So we have to do both, and we can't do it for a week or for a month -- we have to do it for the foreseeable future.

That's not the mission of the National Guard. That's the mission of the regular armed forces -- or should be. Unfortunately, we have too few of those, and those we have are all busily engaged in other places. I could go along with using rotating Guard units to close the border on an interim basis, but only with a definite end stipulated and a commitment to staff up the regular forces to take over within 6 months to a year.
 
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