[Boston, MA] New Gun Control Billboard

[cbsbyte]

I don't think it's fair to attack them for not being more active in Massivechewed$#!+ or Kali. Any money they spend there they may as well burn and flush.

Thats why they spend millions in California or Illinois which are are or more repressive than Mass but won't spend a dime in the Commonwealth. Makes perfect sense.

BTW, Massachusetts has been copying California law for years. Mass was not a overly repressive state until 1998 when they passed California style gun laws.

 

[bill larry]

All I can say is eff them!

I used to live RIGHT THERE, at Fenway and Boylston, attending Berklee College of Music, and I never missed a chance to "illegally" exercise my 2nd amendment rights ...with my "illegal" firearms I brought with me from Texas housed not more than 100 yards from that billboard.

It made me feel good.

Typical nonsense from the libs in Boston. All the scum in Roxbury and Dorchester had guns, which I'm sure they bought legally, right? Yeah, lets deny good citizens the rights to defend themselves.

Before I moved to Boston, I thought long and hard about bringing a handgun...in the end I decided to as a matter of principle. If I had been caught carrying (which I did a lot), then I would go to jail. Fine with me. I would make a huge deal out of it because I planned on being alive when I came back to Texas.

I highly doubt in Boston, Mass (where few people own cars) they are making road trips to Kali to buy guns. Gimme a friggin break.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Rosenthal described Massachusetts as a tough gun law state in a
sea of lax gun law states.
Let's see, that's upstate New York (the Sullivan Act is basicly no-issue
in NYC, but the upper counties are less repressive); Connecticut issues
more carry permits per 100,000 population than Texas; Vermont has
unrestricted carry for lawabiding adults; New Hampshire and Maine
are gun friendly pro-hunting states; have not heard much about Rhode Island.
But who has the most problems with gun crime and gun violence?
Rosenthal's anti-gun utopia Boston and Massachusetts.

from: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?
A Review of International Evidence," By Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser, 2006

In the words of, Hans Toch, a senior American criminologist who
35 years ago endorsed handgun prohibition and confiscation, but
then recanted based on later research: "It is hard to explain
that where firearms are most dense, violent crime rates are
lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are
highest."{75}
{75} Quoting from Hans Toch & Alan Lizotte, "Research and Policy:
The Case of Gun Control" in PSYCHOLOGY AND SOCIAL POLICY, edited
by Peter Sutfeld and Philip Tetlock (NY Hemisphere, 1992).

Here is my explanation for why the gun laws favored by Rosenthal,
Davis, et al. seem to have the opposite effect:
Gun control diverts police resources from fighting criminals
to regulating law-abiding citizens; and
Gun control promotes black market traffic in guns for the criminals.

 

[Don Gwinn]

The NRA is spending millions in Illinois? Really? That's news to me. They've got one full-time lobbyist who's not even theirs full-time, and I think they added two part-timers this year. I doubt they're paying more than $120K on the the three, and that's being generous.

 

[coyote_jr]

have not heard much about Rhode Island.

The goons in charge here go to bed at night with dreams of annexation by Mommy Mass.

 

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How do these boneheads think that the NRA took posession of these branches of government? Gun contollers are in the minority, plain and simple. The fact that they have as much influence as they do sickens me.

DanO

 

[fletcher]

Funny. Most conversations you hear about, and most I've been in, with Anti-gun folks tends to be filled with anti-gun emotional outbursts with a little real fact thrown in by the pro-gun people.

+1


This billboard is just propaganda, and will probably do nothing but encourage already anti people.

 

[cbsbyte]

But who has the most problems with gun crime and gun violence?
Rosenthal's anti-gun utopia Boston and Massachusetts.

Well if you cut Boston, and the other two large cities, Worcester and Springfield out of the equation. Mass is a very safe state to live in. Where I live there is no crime per say, but in Springfield well thats another story. Overall Mass has less violent crime than Florida, New York and Texas.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html

 

[Carl N. Brown]

How does Massachusetts, particularly Boston, compare
with the surrounding states? Massachusetts politicians
like to claim their gun laws work, and when it is pointed
out they don't, they claim it is because they are undermined
by the lax laws in Vermont and New Hampshire, which IIRC,
have more legal guns but less crime.

 

[hqmhqm]

I haven't studied the crime statistics, but what I can say from what I read in the papers is that in Boston, they have tough laws on the books for illegal posession of guns, but in practice they give the actual street scum who are caught carrying or committing a crime with a weapon just a slap on the wrist. You read over and over how some murdering dirtbag has outstanding warrants for failure to appear for weapons violations.

I would move to a free state in a heartbeat if I could.

 

[cbsbyte]

How does Massachusetts, particularly Boston, compare
with the surrounding states?

Well first of all, comparing NH and Vermont which don't have high population urban centers to Mass with several large urban centers is silly. Let see Vermont has 500,000 people, and NH about 1 million, and Mass has over 6.5 million people, they are completely different types of states. If you cut Mass urban centers, and then compared rural areas of the state with NH, then both state will have similar crime rates. States with high population urban centers tend to high higher crime rates than states with less population. If you compare Mass with similar higher population states, such as NY or NJ, then Mass has less violent crime.

 

[willbrink]

" the John Rosenthal that's responsible for this and similar billboards is the same John Rosenthal who's the driving force behind the American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA),"

The same Rosenthall who recently broke federal firearms law. Remember, laws don't apply to the wealthy and connected:

John Rosenthal Admits to Violating Federal Gun Law

On Tuesday, July 10, 2007 John Rosenthal, of Stop Handgun Violence and American Hunters and Shooters Association, was a guest on WRKO 680 AM “Finneran’s Forum” show. Rosenthal was on the show to discuss his organization’s new political billboard slamming the National Rifle Association.

During the show a reporter, Steve Bailey of the Boston Globe, explained how he and Rosenthal had attended a gun show in New Hampshire over a year ago. The trip was supposed to prove how easy it was for criminals to buy a handgun in New Hampshire. They actually found that it was not possible to do so without violating several laws.

Rosenthal explained that when he tried to purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer, he was told he could not because he was not a resident of New Hampshire. Bailey and Rosenthal then explained how they brought a New Hampshire resident with them, supposedly a prison guard, who was able to pass the background checks and purchase the gun for them. Bailey even stated on Finneran’s show that the Boston Globe paid for the gun. When asked by the hosts of the show if he had committed a straw purchase, Rosenthal admitted that he had indeed conducted a straw purchase to prove a point.

Unfortunately for Rosenthal, the point is that he and Bailey had to admit that it was illegal for him to go to New Hampshire and purchase a handgun. He also had to admit that the only way for him to obtain a handgun at the gun show was to do it illegally by conducting a federally prohibited straw purchase and thereby committing a felony. Unfortunately, the person most vocal in Massachusetts about increasing the restrictions on lawful gun ownership has himself committed a gun crime and will most likely never be prosecuted for it. This is yet another example of the great hypocrisy from the anti-civil rights elite.

http://www.goal.org/news/rosenthalcrimine.htm

Remember, he does not want to ban everyone from having guns, he just wants to ban YOU from having one....

 

[Carl N. Brown]

___2003____

STATE . . . . . . Brady Grade, Crime , Homicide

New York . . . . . . B+ , 465.2 , 4.9
Vermont . . . . . . . D- , 110.2 , 2.3
New Hampshire . . D- , 148.8 , 1.4
Maine . . . . . . . . . D- , 108.9 , 1.2
Massachusetts . . . A- , 469.4 , 2.2
Connecticut . . . . . A- , 308.2 , 3
Rhode Island . . . . B- , 285.6 , 2.3

The Brady Grade ranks states by A most restrictive
to F least restrictive.
The crime and homicide rates are per 100,000 population
per year, which negates the difference in state size since
this does not compare total numbers.

 

[willbrink]

Translated, murder rates are highest in states the Brady Bunch give the lowest grades. Brilliant as always on their part. VT has a higher murder rate per capita than MA? Sure that should not be 1.3 for VT? That one is hard to believe.

Can you add a source/cite for that data?

 

[atk]

The crime and homicide rates are per 100,000 population
per year, which negates the difference in state size since
this does not compare total numbers.

It doesn't really negate anything. It puts the two numbers into a form by which they can be compared, but it doesn't address the previous point about population density having an effect. It's reasonable to theorize that 100 people stuck in a 10x10x10 room would have more difficulty getting along than 10 people stuck in a 100x100x100 room.

 

[cracked butt]

What do you expect from Boston. Its the city where the government collectively crapped its pants a few months back when some pranksters placed a LiteBrite near a highway. A city full of Eloi if there ever was one.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

more recent figures

The 2003 figure for Vermont did seem to be an anomaly

from 2005 FBI UCR
Region . . . Violent Crime, Homicide Rates
USA National . . 569.2 , 5.6
New York . . . . 445.8 , 4.5
Vermont . . . . . 119.7 , 1.3
New Hampshire 132.0 , 1.4
Maine . . . . . . . 112.2 , 1.4
Massachusetts . 456.9 , 2.7
Connecticut . . . 274.5 , 2.9
Rhode Island . . 251.2 , 3.2

 

[pdowg881]

I saw the billboard today. it took the place of the old one with hthe sillouhettes of uzi's and stuff over states names and urging background checks. This one is twice as big. Nobody walking by seems to notice thoug. They are too busy on the cell drinking coffe. I wonder how many people can actaully be swayed by a billboard.

 

[willbrink]

"The 2003 figure for Vermont did seem to be an anomaly"

Or a mistake, etc. There's no way VT has/had a higher per cap murder rate than MA, just not possible. MA has high crime cities like New Bedford, Springfield, nasty areas of Boston, etc, etc and VT has not one high crime city (compared to MA, CT, etc) and has more or less the same demographics of NH and ME. The 2005 numbers you post are what you would expect to see. Putting the Brady Bunch rating right next to the actual per cap crime/murder rates is a great way to get a simple point across to the "guns bad" simple folk who might follow said Brady Bunch brain washing "dont confuse me with the facts" tactics.

 

[News Shooter]

Once you get outside 495

the people are really quite normal..much like the rest of America...inside that beltway is another story..four or five million whack jobs that still ride around with Kerry bumper sticks on their car.

Prices have gotten so expensive here the moonbats are moving to southern New Hampshire and taking over the politics in that state. It's going to change for sure. I look for New Hampshire to be at least a B on the BRady list within a few years

 

[madmike]

Yeah, they move out of Mass because it sucks, and then try to make VT and NH more like Mass...

Morons.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

OK, we all recall the Brady Campaign billboard and their flyers
passed out at the airports warning tourists about Florida's
"Shoot First Law" (Brady's name for the Stand Your Ground).

That appears to have backfired against Brady. Will this
bomerang against Rosenthal?

 

[News Shooter]

Unfortunately, it won't matter. The new bilboard replaced an even worse one in my opinion of a huge machine gun and a caption..that read something like "MA-a great place to live."

It was there for years.

 

[FlaXD]

We need a billboard, and bumber stickers, modeled after the Chevy/Ford stickers showing Bart Simpson taking a leak on the other's logo.

In our case it would be 'pick your favorite politician' peeing on 'The Constitution.'

 

[pdowg881]

Yup I live in southern NH, 2 miles from the border, and it's definately changing. More violent crimes happening, carjacking armed robbery etc. Many poeple from mass moving in the neighborhood yelling at people giving them various lectures about things that aren't their business. I also am beginning to see people's political views shifting to the left.