Boston teacher's perverted views on self defense.

[Werewolf]

"An alternative to lockdown is immediate exodus via announcement. Although this removes potential hostages and makes it nearly impossible for the shooter to acquire preselected targets, it unfairly rewards resourceful children who move to safety off-site more shrewdly and efficiently than others."

A better explanation of how natural selection works couldn't be made. Sounds like a darn good plan to me.

 

[Werewolf]

In dealing with teachers, I'm shocked by how many seem to be mentally unstable.

Really?
Why?

When I was in college the only kids majoring in education were the ones that had already failed at every other major and had no where else to go. Add to that a solid dose of bleeding heart liberal indoctrination from teacher's unions and it isn't surprising they'd end up unstable.

 

[Werewolf]

Why do so many posters in this thread believe the OP to be satire? Is it the sheer level of absurdity shown?

There's a lot of nut jobs out there guys. It is completely plausible that the author of the posting in question meant exactly what he wrote.

One would like to believe that there just couldn't really be anyone that mind f*&^%^$d in the world but that will do nothing to change reality.

 

[Erik M]

Really?
Why?

When I was in college the only kids majoring in education were the ones that had already failed at every other major and had no where else to go. Add to that a solid dose of bleeding heart liberal indoctrination from teacher's unions and it isn't surprising they'd end up unstable.

This was true of communication majors at my alma mater. Although the education, arts, and poly sci majors were always the ones organizing the pro-Democrat functions on campus during the elections. alot of anti-gun and anti-religion rethoric in the early 00's.

i have been around enough progressive's and left leaning moderates to know that the author or the article is completely serious. Its all about everyone having the same amount of anything and even the 'even the loser gets a trophy' mentality that they share.

 

[rainbowbob]

Why do so many posters in this thread believe the OP to be satire? Is it the sheer level of absurdity shown?

If you will take the time to read the whole thread, you will see other offerings from my new favorite writer that indicates beyond a doubt that Mr Van Gorder is a pro-gun satirist.

Some, however, prefer to revel in their indignation and will not bother.

 

[Werewolf]

If you will take the time to read the whole thread, you will see other offerings from my new favorite writer that indicates beyond a doubt that Mr Van Gorder is a pro-gun satirist.

Some, however, prefer to revel in their indignation and will not bother.

I have read the entire thread including the links you supplied re: Mr Van Gorder's other musings. I won't dismiss the possibility that the guy is a very skilled yet very subtle satirist but neither will I dismiss the possibility that he is truly what he seems - a died in the wool whack job.

 

[tex929rr]

Is that really the MOST disturbing thing here?

Yes - this line: "A level barrel is fair to all fish." pretty obviously made the letter satire. Whether you fell for it because you agree with the absurdity or because you found it offensive, you still fell for it.

 

[Diggers]

Its not satire its really really GOOD SATIRE!!

Its not spastic and angry enough for it to be real.

No one that extreem would be that contained.

 

[Officers'Wife]

Most disturbing is that so many posting in this thread didn't see it was satire.

When dealing with city people it's often a challenge to decide whether you have someone with half a brain and a strange sense of humor or a complete idiot that really means it.

 

[Smokin Gator]

I'll agree that it is intended to be satire. The problem is that there are enough people out there stating similiarly ridiculous ideas, that they actually believe in, that cause the overlap between the satire and real opinions difficult to differentiate between. The more outlandish the opinions of a group of people are, the more difficult it is to satirize them. Mark

 

[rmmoore]

Okay, I'll bite....... Maybe, and I mean MAYBE it is intended to be satirical. OK, fair enough, hahahaha. Here's the problem: it wasn't CLEARLY satire for the majority of people reading it. I've lived in enough large metro's, and dealt with enough idiots of a similar mind-set, to know that whether it was satire or NOT, a lot of morons will take it heart that "one of them" has said "it".

Another issue, he said it in Massivetwo****s. That in and of itself is enough to incite a mob with the tar, feathers, a rope, and round him up. Was I being satirical? Consider the AUDIENCE that is reviewing, reading, or absorbing my comments. The vast majority of you that have posted here would either join me, or at least tacitly support my efforts to lynch him if he actually imposed those policy's. Get the idea? Whether your intent is clear or not, the effect they have is how the comments are measured. To say something so outlandish in a part of the Country that is almost dominated by people with similar beliefs, or at least would "go along" rather than challenge it based on societal norms of political correctness, is almost as bad and dangerous as actually MEANING what he said.

Had he said that in a paper printed in the deep South or out West, he might have been met with SOMEWHAT tempered and less serious reactions, maybe. But to say something so utterly immoral and just plain STUPID, to a public audience in Mass. who at least share a common view of fairness and equality, just seems to show his lack of understanding of the human mind and how easily people are influenced by words, no matter how idiotic they are.

But hey, that's just me. If I said we should herd up and run all domestic and wild horses in Wyoming together for slaughter to insure fairness and equality in grazing rights, I'd EXPECT farmers and ranchers to burn me out of my home. Get the idea?

 

[RP88]

"But as a progressive, I would sooner lay my child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime."

Truly the most disgusting thing from an anti-gunner I've heard. It's tolerable when they lie to us and condescend a person for owning guns, but this is ridiculous. I'd imagine that he would rather lay everyone else's child to rest as well in such a manner. If that is progression, then I'd rather live with my head up my a--.

 

[Lou McGopher]

A cousin once told me that he would rather die and have his whole family die, than to defend himself in any way. His view was that if he was killed, the sin was on the killer, but if he harmed anyone, even a murderer, the sin would be on his soul. (Of course, he didn't have a family, and I suspect the Quincy idiot doesn't either.)

The Amish and Mennonites have a very similar belief, and as best I can tell, they are a very pro-family bunch. Why send someone to Hell to stop him from sending you to Heaven? If I were Christian, I'd believe the same. But I don't think that's the argument being made by the most extreme antis, and it's not the argument being spoofed by the writer. And in my opinion, it is an excellent, concise piece of satire, mocking not just anti-gun sentiments, but also egalitarian social philosophy.

+1 on Natural Selection
These people are going to reverse our progress!!!

Let's not be so conceited that we assume to know what qualities should be selected for. Mother Nature is far wiser than we are.

The problem is that there are enough people out there stating similiarly ridiculous ideas, that they actually believe in, that cause the overlap between the satire and real opinions difficult to differentiate between.

The fun part about satire is when the group you're satirizing realizes it, and then attempts to refute you without contradicting their own beliefs.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Why send someone to Hell to stop him from sending you to Heaven? If I were Christian, I'd believe the same.

There's nothing Christian about rejecting self-defense. Saint Thomas Aquinas discussed the issue more than 800 years ago and pointed out that:

The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not.

This is the famous doctrine of double-effect. The sinfulness or lack thereof is based on the intent of the actor. If a person acts in self-defense, there is no sin. Saint Thomas Aquinas continued:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's

 

[tkopp]

I haven't time to read the thread before I leave for work, so I'll leave you all with this.

Wiki Harrison Bergeron.

The full text.

The teacher's not an idiot. He landed it just right.

 

[twofifty]

Thanks for that.

 

[Crash_Test_Dhimmi]

Sounds like he is in favor of "redistribution of children"


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[Officers'Wife]

Why send someone to Hell to stop him from sending you to Heaven? If I were Christian, I'd believe the same.

Last time I checked suicide was a mortal sin, if you could have prevented your death but did nothing it would be the same as suicide. God commanded thou shall not commit murder and the distinction was lost in translation. Jesus also said you should love your neighbor, nowhere did he say you had to be a fool about it.

 

[Mad Chemist]

The greatest risk in writing satire is that people may take you seriously.

 

[ClayInTX]

In a previous post in this thread I blasted all of Massachusetts. That was wrong, just because a vocal minority gets the press doesn’t mean everyone shares their views. This letter will be taken to heart by that same vocal minority. There is no harm in that because they will not change their belief or their agenda regardless of any logic put into their face. This letter so echoes their view that they will never understand its purpose.

There are others in Massachusetts who will understand the letter writer’s purpose and, just might, realize they need to stand and be counted. They will not scream and march like the antis, but they might affect a change at the elections—small chance but they might.

Those in Massachusetts might now see the tunnel at the end of the light.

 

[PT1911]

I dont care how ANTI-GUN someone is... or how much they preach about guns being bad and even a self defense shooting is a crime... bla bla bla... yada yada yada... If you have a gun in your face (anti-gunner) your pity party ideals fade quickly to your natural instinct to SURVIVE... or perhaps this teacher would rather resort to beating the intruder with a chair... oh, wait, that would be resourceful (though in the simplest of forms.) We cannot have that...

satire...sure... but sadly there are those who ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THIS TYPE OF CRAP!!!!

Once read where the sister of a shooting victim said she WAS HAPPY her brother didnt have a gun with him (to protect himself with 'i'm adding that part') lest some other innocent bystander be injured or killed.

 

[moi_self26]

Well, that kind of mentality isn't surprising coming from MA. I was raised there, and that is part of the reason why, despite pressure from my family, I will NEVER EVER AGAIN be a resident of that state. Their logic and sense of right/wrong is so screwed up it's not funny. When I was in school I actually got suspended for beating up a football player who kept beating up a handicapped kid when the administration repeatedly decided not to do anything to protect this kid.

If that teacher that wrote in to the paper actually does have children I feel so incredibly sorry for them. I can't fathom how any parent, wouldn't do absolutely everything in their power to protect their child.....or how they could be ok with their child being locked in with a person on a shooting spree..... that to me is TOTAL insanity.

Disclaimer: My comments regarding the state of MA are not meant to reflect all citizens of that state, simply the ones who, sadly, have the louder and more authoritative voices in the state.

 

[billybobjoe]

Did anyone listen to Ashcroft during the Senate investigation of the Virginia shooting. He basically said if something so extreme is going to happen or is happening, maybe a person needs to step outside of the "rules" and try to stop it.

 

[billybobjoe]

When the teacher who knew the kid had extreme problems was asked why she didn't inform other administrators, she said she didn't want to violate confidentiality rules. Ashcroft said, there is no such rule. It would be professional communication to discuss him with other teachers. He went on and told her that with what information she had that maybe she shouldn't have worried about such a rule. She should have risked getting in trouble over something like stopping a school shooting.

 

[JellyJar]

No logic?

Many years ago I worked for a while with a co worker who was a British ex-pat. That means he lives in the US now all the time and is a US citizen.

When I tried to talk to him about gun control and the logic I use to support the RKBA he said, in all seriousness, that since people weren't logical that logic was not a useful way to solve problems.

Wether or not the OP is satirical or not there are people like that out there.