Bought a Remington 870 Express and have some questions

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Paid $250.00 for it, The guy said I cannot use slugs under any circumstances because the barrel is not rifled, i got some of this Remington 00 buck from the store too. I'm confused as to what shells I can safely shoot and which ones I cannot, The barrel says 3 inch and under. Can someone point me in the direction of a good home defense load for this gun? The barrel is not rifled and its a Remington 870 Express.

I accidentally posted this in rifle country first, sorry about that.

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I believe the seller was mistaken, as shooting rifled slugs though a smoothbore shotgun is perfectly fine. I have that exact type of shotgun and have put a few rifled slugs through it to no ill effect. Just watch out for using slugs with a tight choke. Sabot slugs, on the other hand, are designed to be used in a rifled barrel, and while they will be ok in a smoothbore, they won't achieve their potential for long-distance accuracy without the rifling. The 3 inch limit just means you can't use 3.5 inch magnum shells in the gun. Shells that are 2 and 3/4 and 3 inches long will be fine. As for home defense, any 00 buckshot that patterns well in your gun should be suitable for the task. Some people recommend birdshot for fear of buckshot's ability to over-penetrate and hit someone in another room, but then you have to worry about birdshot being powerful enough to stop the target. All my two cents of course.
 
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Best home defense load in my opinion is Remington, Federal, or Winchester 2.75 inch 12 pellet 00 buck. You get 3 more pellets than the standard 9 found in non-magnum 2.75 inch 00 cartridges without having to reduce the amount of rounds your able to load into the mag tube.
 
The guy said I cannot use slugs under any circumstances because the barrel is not rifled,

The guy is not correct. Slugs have been used out of smooth bore barrels for longer than most of us have been alive. Until recent years the standard slug barrel was a smooth bore with IC choking, and iron sights. In barrels with screw in chokes you can shoot the rifled slugs through IC or modified chokes. They are not typicaly shot through full chokes.

They may still also make a rifled choke tube that can be used to shoot sabot slugs with good results.

The most widely used HD load for a 12 ga. shotgun is 2&3/4 inch 00 buckshot.
 
It won't hurt a thing to shoot standard lead slugs through the gun. You will get best results with either the IC or modified choke tubes.

Some of the newer Sabot slugs work best in rifled barrels and should probably be avoided in a smooth bore barrel. Although I doubt it would actually hurt anything if you did.
 
The guy said I cannot use slugs under any circumstances because the barrel is not rifled

Bravo Sierra. Hope they pay whoever told you that for what he does (like sweeping the floor) instead of what he knows, because if they pay him for what he knows they're wasting their money.

It's OK to shoot rifled slugs through a smoothbore barrel. I'd use a more open choke tube, like ImpCyl for that were I you.

+1 on downloading the owners manual from the Remington website and getting familiar with it.

Any good 2 3/4" load with larger size lead or HeviShot pellets will do for home defense. At close range shotguns cause what surgeons call 'rathole wounds,' and as long as pellets will penetrate deeply enough to reach important anatomical structures they'll work for defensive use. Anything in the neighborhood of #2 or bigger, in other words.

At close range shotguns are almost like shooting rifles- you can miss with one. Peripheral hits with a shotgun may not stop a drugged or determined intruder- you still have to hit center mass even with a shotgun. Don't assume one shot will do it with any weapon, even a shotgun- run the bolt immediately after the first shot and be ready to shoot again if necessary.

Get in plenty of practice time with the scattergun, it takes some getting used to if it's your first pumpgun. Get into the habit of racking the forearm briskly all the way back till it stops, then all the way forward till it stops in a one-two count movement. That way you'll avoid the most common operator error with pumpguns- short stroking.

You might find that getting another smoothbore factory barrel 18- 20" long will make the shotgun a bit more weildy inside the house. Spare 870 barrels are pretty widely available and not awfully expensive. The most common one around here is a 20" smoothbore with rifle sights, commonly called a slug barrel. It's easy to swap barrels on an 870.

Enjoy it, and Stay Safe,

lpl

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Thanks for the great info, One more thing about ammo, Can I use ammo labeled as "Magnum" aslong as its under 3''?
 
You have a 22 and an AR so I am going to assume that you spend time shooting. If I am correct, take your shotgun out with you and spend some time shooting it to see how it does. As you probably already know nothing beats getting used to the weapon while shooting it. The most recommended HD loads range from #4 to OO buck in 2 3/4 inch loadings. I agree fully that a shorter barrel is in order for HD, look to pick up an 18 or 20 inch smooth bore or better yet an IC barrel and you do not have to fool around with chokes.
 
The guy said I cannot use slugs under any circumstances because the barrel is not rifled

It often seems like you have to fail a test of basic gun knowledge to sell guns. As others have said slugs can be shot through a smooth bore. Sabot slugs are designed specifically for a rifled barrels.
 
Is it real wood or laminated?

Its real laminated wood.
Laminated wood is just thin sheets of wood glued together under pressure.
It actually makes a stronger, more stable stock than non-laminated wood and unlike the solid hardwood that was used on the Express, it has some character.
 
So basically this wood is an improvement over the past models wood? Is it the same shape as the old style? As in are guys with older Express's sol or can they upgrade to this wood?

How does it hold up? I know when I had a 870 Express the wood got scratched easily and just looked horrible. Unlike other guns where they get scratched and you can see the scratches but it's not like it takes all the finish off where the scratches are.
 
I have the same 870, but with the synthetic stock. I shortstroked it once and got a hull stuck in the chamber. But that was operator error. Other than that, I've fired 1000+ rounds through it shooting trap with no problems. I've also taken it to the range and shot 2 3/4" 'magnum' buckshot at 25 yards. That really made me think twice about what self defense load i would want. The buckshot really kicks and makes follow-on shots a bit more spaced apart than birdshot. There are some really long threads on home protection loads, so perhaps i'll leave it at that. shoot a range of ammo and decide what you are most comfortable with.

Also, i put a 5 round mag extension on mine. very easy process done at home with just a little bit of drilling to get the dimples out. now i can keep 10 rounds of 2 3/4" at the ready. I choose birdshot for a home defense load (i live in a townhouse), so having some extra rounds makes me feel a bit better.

great gun despite what some people say about the express 870s.

Congrats!!!
 
If you'd like to try sabot slugs here's a link to rifled choke tubes:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=8005/Product/RIFLED_CHOKE_TUBE

You need a simple tool to remove the screw-in tube. I assume you just have just the one that came with the gun. You might want to take it out and see what it says. Rem-Choke are very common and sold everywhere (except for the rifled chokes, that are a little harder to find).
 
If he bought the gun new I'm going to assume it came with that tool to remove the chokes. Or do they not include them anymore? You can usually use a quarter to remove them also. Not that it's the best way but it usually works unless they are in there super tight.
 
The guy said I cannot use slugs under any circumstances because the barrel is not rifled

...and this guy was mistaken and should quit offering "advice." A rifled barrel is not required for shooting slugs. Foster style (or Brenneke) slugs address this issue (as they are meant for smoothbore barrels).

In terms of "safe" ammo....Pretty much anything stamped with a "12 ga.," 3" or less (Id recommend staying away from Sabot slugs however).

Regarding the "best" HD load, well...you can find a plethora of info regarding this issue via most search engines. But, for now, here is a "Highroad" link covering this very topic.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=480357
 
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