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Klint Beastwood

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How would you guys feel (and I know a ton of you will hate the idea) of a box fed lever action in the usual 45/70 or 30/30? I’m not aware of a manufacture line that makes anything like that besides the Pardus LAX12MF being the closest that I’ve seen. Then again I dont have the same knowledge about levers as I do about other subjects.
http://www.protactical.com.au/brows...f-mag-fed-lever-action-12ga-shotgun-18-patrol
 
Klint Beastwood said:
How would you guys feel (and I know a ton of you will hate the idea) of a box fed lever action in the usual 45/70 or 30/30? I’m not aware of a manufacture line that makes anything like that besides the Pardus LAX12MF being the closest that I’ve seen. Then again I dont have the same knowledge about levers as I do about other subjects.
http://www.protactical.com.au/brows...f-mag-fed-lever-action-12ga-shotgun-18-patrol
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Bro, the finest lever action ever made.....Savage Model 99.
The clip-fed C models were available in .243, .308, and .30-30.

Although, if you want the full experience, get one of the rotary mag guns. Either way, can't go wrong.:thumbup:
 
BSA1 said:
Looks like a good solution for...

Australia.

What is the problem you are looking for in the United States?[/QUOTE

No problem, just a talking point. You really won’t catch me outside with a lever. I stick with what I know. So really as far as the OP is concerned there’s really no wrong opinion nor a solution.
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When you get right down to it lever actions offer zero advantages over bolt guns or semi-autos regardless of the caliber. And a lot of disadvantages. That said I own more lever actions than any other type. But for nostalgic reasons. If I really need a rifle for protection from man or beast it won't be a lever action. If I want the best tool for the job in the hunting fields it won't be a lever action. But if I'm out for a fun day in the field I sometimes take one of them just because I enjoy them even with the limitations.

For those reasons a modern style lever action does not appeal to me. And I think the Savage 99 or Winchester 95 is old enough to not be considered modern. If I were inclined to use a lever action with modern cartridges one of those would be the one.
 
Varminterror said:
And a fantastic example - but I assumed Klint’s only talking DBM.
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What's DBM?

Personally I think the Winchester Model 1895 was a really cool gun. They were made in some pretty serious cartridges; 30-06, 30-40 Krag and a few others. I don't have one yet, but I probably will someday.

Completely agree, lever guns are not as practical as bolt or semi-autos, but I own a whole bunch more lever guns than any other kind of rifle. I'm not a very practical guy.
 
My Model 99 was made in the late '50s, and has the safety on the trigger guard and the rotary magazine. It's a great rifle, but a little touchy on handloads. First of all, the overall length of the cartridge must be held within close limits imposed by the magazine, and secondly, it lacks the camming power of a bolt action. That said, it's one hell of a deer rifle.
 
I never understood why dbm lever guns weren’t more popular. The savage 99 was very popular but hasn’t been produced for decades.

A short, light, handy, ~2 moa capable rifle that can be used by lefties and with iron sights or optics if wanted. No barrel band issues. Faster to unload in the field and with the ability to have 2 different mags for different loads. Then there is he advantage of faster reloads for home defense along with the fact it flies under the gun grabbers radar in wood trim.

I guess with the AR explosion the lever gun was left in the past and it seems most shooters prefer it that way.

It seems a shame to me, really. The 30-30 didn’t remain popular because of its awe inspiring ballistics as much more potent rounds became commercially available. It was the lever gun that made the 30-30.
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
What's DBM?
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Detachable Box Magazine.

The Winchester 95 has a fixed box, hence why we weren't considering it, though it is a helluva great gun in it's own right, albeit usually chambered in high velocity rounds such as .30-06 and .30-40 Krag.

The Savage 99 was also designed to used pointed Spitzer bullets in high-velocity short action calibers, but the .30-30 was so popular at the time, they went ahead and made them even though it kinda defeated the purpose of the platform.
 
I like it. It reminds me of the Awdler A110, which I've only yet seen in pictures. Give it some wood furniture.

A lever-action works better for me than a pump; just a personal thing.
 
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NIGHTLORD40K said:
Detachable Box Magazine.

The Winchester 95 has a fixed box, hence why we weren't considering it, though it is a helluva great gun in it's own right, albeit usually chambered in high velocity rounds such as .30-06 and .30-40 Krag.

The Savage 99 was also designed to used pointed Spitzer bullets in high-velocity short action calibers, but the .30-30 was so popular at the time, they went ahead and made them even though it kinda defeated the purpose of the platform.
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Actually when the Savage 95 came out (the 99 is simply an improved model) there were no short action spritzer bullet cartridges. The earliest proprietary Savage cartridge was the .303 Savage, which is simply the .30-30 in a slightly different case. It wasn't until 1912, when Charles Newton developed the .22 Imp (also called the .22 High Power) that there was a real high velocity cartridge for the Model 99.
 
Klint Beastwood said:
How would you guys feel (and I know a ton of you will hate the idea) of a box fed lever action in the usual 45/70 or 30/30? I’m not aware of a manufacture line that makes anything like that besides the Pardus LAX12MF being the closest that I’ve seen. Then again I dont have the same knowledge about levers as I do about other subjects.
http://www.protactical.com.au/brows...f-mag-fed-lever-action-12ga-shotgun-18-patrol
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Trying to feed rimmed rounds out of a box, while possible, is rarely the right answer. That said, what you're describing exists, or at least used to. The Savage 99 was chambered in .30-30 and feeds from a detachable box.

The .450 Marlin (ballistic twin of the .45-70) is available in the Browning BLR, which takes detachable box mags.
 
Detachable Box Magazine adds unnecessary complication.

A lever action rifle with a tubular underbarrel magazine is a complete self-contained multi-shot weapons system that is easy to transport and carry. Just add ammo.

When you add a detachable box magazine you no longer have a self-contained multi-shot weapon. Without the magazine you have at best a single shot rifle that is harder and slower to feed than a purpose build rifle. Worse case situation is with the chamber empty and all of rounds in the magazine which felled out of the rifle into the snow or mud or brush and leaves hundreds of yards or miles back. Especially if you were walking your deer stand in the dark to get set up before sunrise.

The lever action rifle is balanced to carry with one hand by holding it in front on the trigger guard. With the magazine you loose that ease of carry.

But then what do I know? I think the 32 magnum is a great choice in the J-Frame revolver. Build your better mousetrap and see if the world follows.
 
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Llama Bob said:
Trying to feed rimmed rounds out of a box, while possible, is rarely the right answer. That said, what you're describing exists, or at least used to. The Savage 99 was chambered in .30-30 and feeds from a detachable box.

The .450 Marlin (ballistic twin of the .45-70) is available in the Browning BLR, which takes detachable box mags.
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I don't believe the box magazine version was ever offered in .30-30. The early Savages all fed from a rotary magazine, and the older cartridges had all been dropped long before the changeover to a box magazine.
 
Henry also makes a detachable box magazine fed rifle called the long ranger. Just like the BLR it isn't offered in any rimmed cartridges but there must be some interest in the design for these guns to be in production. Also both guns have flush or dang near flush fit magazines so the ease of carry is still there. As an avid fan of lever actions I can't see myself getting behind a detachable magazine gun chambered in any of the traditional lever calibers, if only because I doubt the price point will be competitive with the current tube fed guns. Now if there was somehow one chambered in a rimmed caliber that isn't normally offered (i.e. .303 brit or 7.62x54r) it would catch my attention but that would be the closest to 30-30/45-70.
That being said I'm planning to get a BLR (or two) for my future hunting endeavors and on the off chance I can find an Adler shotgun I'd love to hunt waterfowl with it. Just don't get the smiles per shot from any other platform.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
I don't believe the box magazine version was ever offered in .30-30. The early Savages all fed from a rotary magazine, and the older cartridges had all been dropped long before the changeover to a box magazine.
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Well crud. I think you're right. Did some research and only found DBM Savages in .243, .250-300, .284, .308, and 7mm-08. If there were any .30-30 C models they are so rare, a normal human being could never find one.

Ugh.
 
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