Boycotting FN from here on...

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FN buys Winchester. Kills the classics... the Model 94, 1300, Model 70. Pieces that have made America great. Model 94 and 70 are legendary. They were the staples that our ancestors used to feed their families.

Then, FN resurrects the model 70 a few weeks ago at nearly double the price.

Now, Browning (Also spelled FN) kills another classic, the A-Bolt.

A few years ago I had a client and personal friend of a major bank in the Netherlands. He had recently been promoted to worldwide VP of I.T operations. I walked in to his office and said, "Congratulations on your promotion! Get that new Mercedes yet?"

He said, "BAH! Germans build junk!". And was deadly serious.

I realized I'd stuck my foot in my mouth. The Netherlands (Holland) are still fighting WW II. Anyone who's a history fan knows how many U.S. troops we lost in Holland. And FN is based in this crazy Euro world.

I, for one, have all the REAL Winchesters and Brownings I need for the moment. Anyone remember what happened to S&W when they sold out to the Brits a few years ago? Climbing in to bed with Bill Clinton bring back any memories?

I boycotted S&W then, and I'm now swearing off anything built by FN tagged "Winchester" and "Browning". I love my 94's, Citori's, old Winchester 22's and Model 70's. But I'd rather go without than stuff money into the pockets of FN, who's simply capitalized on the greed of U.S. corporations by selling out to the Euro's.

Anyone in favor of a boycot of FN?
 
Nah, I have no problem with FN. I have no problem when a company drops or model or raises prices based on the gun market trends. That's how capitalism works. I do have a problem when they sell out to the gun banners for political reasons. I have no heartache with FN regarding the Model 70 or the A Bolt.
 
Hmm FN is a Belgium company. What the heck has all the Dutch hate going on? Then there is all the crazy talk about US troops dying in WW2. Are you purposely trying to Godwin your own arguements?

Now just because people weren't buying enough Winchester line rifles or the Browning Abolt to make it viable to carry on making them is hardly their fault. It is the US firearm companies that shot themselves in the foot in the 60s and 70s and your post about how you "have enough REAL Winchesters and Brownings" was the real cause of the end of the lines of rifles. You and other gunowners are as much to blame as FN.

Besides the only real Winchester 70s worth having are the pre 64 ones anyway.
 
REAL... Brownings
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Browning never produced any firearms. They have always been an importer for FN and (later) Miroku.

Man, people are getting so worked up over FN closing an out of date and unprofitable plant that they had been sinking money into for over a decade. Hell, if you have a beef with selling out you should be boycotting Olin, because they spun off the Winchester firearms production division into USRAC; who were bought by FN when they essentially bankrupted themselves. It isn't even like the Model 70 is going to be foreign made, the new facility is in South Carolina.
 
FN buys Winchester. Kills the classics... the Model 94, 1300, Model 70. Pieces that have made America great. Model 94 and 70 are legendary. They were the staples that our ancestors used to feed their families.
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FN never bought Winchester, they bought the license to use the Winchester name from Olin. The factory in Ct that produced the mentioned firearms went under due to the union there demanding more money.
 
I wont be boycotting FN simply because they are making good business choices. If they had done this for political reasons I would join you in a heartbeat but as of right now I will probably be purchasing some of their products in the future.
 
Besides the only real Winchester 70s worth having are the pre 64 ones anyway.
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If that didn't pin the tail on the donkey nothing will.

Why don't you buy a classic from today's world of firearm's such as an AR (been around 50 years more or less). It has been around since Winchester began dying a long, slow death. I bet you would be yearning for the flintlock if you lived 70 years ago....
 
The thread had nothing to do with "dutch" hate. Just disappointed Winchester is gone. Sign of the times I guess.

Perhaps I -was- born 70 years too late.
 
I like FN. Anyone that bends over backwards to put out civilian guns *identical* to their military ones (sans happy switch) as fast as is possible is OK by me.

See:
P90 -> PS90
F2000 -> FS2000
SCAR -> :D:D:D:D

I would rather they do this than put out neutered junk like HK.
 
FN never bought Winchester, they bought the license to use the Winchester name from Olin. The factory in Ct that produced the mentioned firearms went under due to the union there demanding more money.
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Blame it on the unions. What about a lack of relevance and riding solely on a name to sell products until the name finally wasn't enough?
No, lets blame the little guys that just wanted to get paid a living wage, like the Ford CEO who made $28 million in 4 months with a company losing money...then we blame the union.
 
Browning needs to do something to jazz up the product line. Sure the A-Bolt is a great rifle... but lots of guys into hunting guns already have one or more of them. I don't even like them all that much and I have a couple. A .270 and a .30-06.
When selling guns there are too many customers that come in saying they don't like the A-Bolts for whatever reason.
By coming out with a new X-Bolt... Browning gets to tap back into both groups. And the X-Bolt looks sexy. Some nice features to boast about. Just different enough to make people want to look at them again. Browning HAS to do something new. Remington and Ruger and Savage and Howa and Weatherby (Howa again) are kicking Browning's trash. Now enter into the mix the new TC Icon and the S&W iBolt. Browning had no choice in the matter.
Most guys coming in to buy a new rifle for that Elk hunt usually only buy ONE rifle. There is a lot of competition for that slot.
Now look at the Winchester situation. Unions kicking the profit margin in the sweets. No money to be made building the guns. Kill the factory, get out of the headlock of the union, at the same time raise market awareness and drive up demand. Wait for it. Now reopen production in South Carolina where other good guns are being made, and at a higher price - presto - the rifles are making money again. This is how you stay in business people. At least they kept the gun making jobs in the US. No net loss in jobs. Maybe even more jobs now because of it... or at lease more stable jobs.
Look at Ford, most of their manufacturing is in Mexico and Canada now. How many jobs did Ford export?
 
Read the last issue of National Review, Belgium is definately anti-Netherlands because it was contrived years ago by the British. After all these years and the European Union, Belgium is on the verge of a breakup. Belgium isn't unique, there is wirespread ethnic hate in Europe. I still don't believe in a boycott of FN, if Winchester's product line had been so profitable, it never would have been discontinued in the first place. Winchesters have been made by other countries for some time.
 
A few years ago I had a client and personal friend of a major bank in the Netherlands. He had recently been promoted to worldwide VP of I.T operations. I walked in to his office and said, "Congratulations on your promotion! Get that new Mercedes yet?"

He said, "BAH! Germans build junk!". And was deadly serious.

I realized I'd stuck my foot in my mouth. The Netherlands (Holland) are still fighting WW II. Anyone who's a history fan knows how many U.S. troops we lost in Holland. And FN is based in this crazy Euro world.
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Huh?

FN Herstal is a holding company headquartered in Leiges, Belgium. I don't think that Belgium ever attacked The Netherlands during World War II, but if it did nobody noticed.

FN Manufacturing is the Herstal group company headquartered in Columbia, South Carolina. South Carolina never made a hostile move against Holland either. FN Manufacturing serves the military and law enforcement markets. Its major business is the M16 assault rifles, M249 light machine guns, and M240 medium machine guns. How many of them would you have bought if you weren't irritated? I doubt that FN Manufacturing would even notice your boycott unless you sent its president a postcard to inform him.

FN Manufacturing doesn't make decisions for Browning or Winchester Arms, nor do they for it. In any event I don't think that Browning or Winchester Arms attacked The Netherlands either. Even if the boycott you propose is wildly successful it's hard to imagine that it will have any impact other than to cost a number of U.S. employees their jobs and adversely impact the U.S. military.

I don't think that Bill Clinton was President of the U.S. when Winchester Arms decided to discontinue the 94 and other models and I doubt that Winchester Arms would have discontinued them if they were profitable. You could be right, though, about FN Herstal "selling out to the Euro's" but since Belgium is a "Euro" country you might as well accuse Home Depot of "selling out to the Amis" or Glenfiddich of "selling out to the Scots."

Because you say that you have all the real Winchesters and Brownings you need, you're probably not in the market for others now anyway. That's the best kind of boycott there is--not buying what you wouldn't buy no matter what. In protest against the British slaughter of Americans during the Revolutionary War I have boycotted Rolls-Royce all my life and I intend to continue doing so.
 
Hmm. And to think I was boycotting Winchester because they didn't make any semi auto with a pistol grip and a decent capacity magazine...

I may have to revisit my stance on Remington now. :evil:

FN makes some neat stuff. PS90 looks like a lot of fun, FS2000 (aka the big tuna) is certainly a breath of fresh air to a market choked with AR clones. Their SPR is a precision gun with a chrome lined barrel. The upcoming SCAR looks to have a lot of interest too. Nice lineup.

Winchester was riding its name for the last few decades, I wont miss them as they cranked out Fudd guns for the most part. Their wares were relatively unpopular as demonstrated by their closing and they had not adapted to the realities of the gun market since the end of the AW ban.

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Anyone in favor of a boycot of FN?
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No.

p.s. FN is located in Belgium, not Holland. Anyone who's a history fan knows the U.S. lost few troops in Holland as the only time the U.S. set foot in Holland was for the ill-fated Operation Market Garden which resulted in many British/Canadian loses but few American loses.
 
I like FN because it is pretty pro civilian gun owner, in fact I support them by buying everything I can that is FN.

Didn't know those union guys drove winchester 94 into the ground, typical
 
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No!Now's the time to show those lousy,ungrateful Dutch - who cares if they happen to teach their kids a far better appreciation for Allied sacrifices in WWII than American schools do - a lesson and boycott those even worse Belgians;that'll show em.Who can trust a country that's half French anyway? Are you with me for a boycott of Luxembourg too? Straight to Hades with Denmark as well-taking away jobs from hard working American bakers with those no good tins of delicious butter cookies.While we're at it,I'm never going to buy another Dodge because they had the nerve to name a car the Monaco- that ain't even a real country.:cuss::cuss::cuss:
 
"They were the staples that our ancestors used to feed their families."

I doubt many families that had to hunt to eat could have afforded a 94 or 70. In my experience most of them used an old shotgun.

John
 
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