Brady Campaign's Mission is an Insane Delusion... Legally

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With what limited empirical evidence we have on the subject, the facts always show that gun control is ineffective and perhaps even counterproductive, yet the Brady Campaign pushes forward with full-on ignorance of that reality.

You're making the mistake of taking them at their word. The Brady bunch, HCI and all the rest have NEVER been about curbing violence. The objective is to reshape American society into something more easily controlled. Specifically, by getting rid of us. That's the only purpose behind gun control. They're not stupid people. They know that laws such as the AWB or the Lautenberg Amendment do nothing but set up traps for the law abiding. That's the whole point. It's an attack on us, personally. To get rid of law abiding gun owners. Not to decrease violence or fight crime.
 
This is only the second time I've mentioned something on this forum, but I'd like to chime in as a guy who is a liberal, a NJ resident and somewhat of a reformed anti.

Go brew a cup of coffee. This will be a long one.

For 31 years of my life, I never considered owning a gun. The Boy Scouts taught me how to shoot a .22 when I was a kid, but other than that, I never touched a gun. I was always somewhat shocked and perhaps a little disturbed when someone told me that they were a gun owner if that ownership wasn't placed in the context of hunting. I never once held a pistol, nor knew anybody who owned one, nor ever saw a real one unless it was in a policeman's or National Guardsman's holster (post September 11th).

Much of this changed when my brother moved in with me. He had been a resident of North Carolina and was somewhat down on his luck so I opened my home to him for a few months. 11 months later (much more than *a few*) he left when I started charging him rent. One day I was cleaning out my basement when I noticed something sticking out of one of my vents. I pulled out a .22 rifle that my brother had brought from North Carolina and hidden there.

I was absolutely shocked that a gun was in my house and I had no idea what to do about it. Was I supposed to go to the police? Was it even legal to be in the house? Could I be facing jail time? Was it even loaded? What if it went off? This thing scared the heck out of me. When I confronted my brother about this, he admitted to having stored a shotgun in my vents as well. He didn't want the guns back for "Girlfriend Reasons" and I didn't know what to do with the weapons. I didn't want to get in trouble, I was afraid of going to the police, and I didn't think I could legally sell them. I didn't even know where to buy a gun, much less sell one or if it was even legal to take it someplace to get sold.

I did some research and with the consent of my wife, I did the unthinkable. I applied for my NJ Firearms ID card, just to be on the safe side if they were going to be in the house, until I could figure out what to do with them.

A couple months later, when my wife was out of town, a friend of a friend offered to take me to a shooting range. I asked him if I could take the .22 in my basement and he offered to bring ammunition for the rifle. After a couple of hours of shooting, for some crazy reason, I started to enjoy putting holes in paper. I loved it so much that I got a membership to that range and I went occasionally. Two years later. I bought a carbine as a present for myself when I got a new job. After that, I bought a handgun as a present for completing my MBA.

But I had to tell you that story to try to explain my reasoning about the Brady Campaign:

Many people, especially those who grew up in cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, or the suburbs of one of those big eastern cities, cannot even mentally grasp the notion of owning a firearm. I can tell you this because for 31 years, I could not even fathom why anybody needed a firearm for a reason other then hunting or protecting livestock. Firearms aren't even a part of our mental orbit. The only time we ever see a gun is when we watch a movie, and in that case, the gun is usually used for some sinister purpose. If you are always seeing guns in connection with crime or death, you equate them with crime or death. This unfamiliarity breeds fear. We fear what we don't understand. We fear the things that are not normal to us.

Why does the Brady Campaign do what they do?

Honestly, I think they want the same thing that you do. I would imagine that very few people on this forum would ever want to commit an act of violence with a firearm. The Brady Campaign, oddly enough, agrees with that goal. But while you want it with gun safety and training, they want it with gun restrictions. They do it because they think they are right, and I would say that most of my neighbors, co-workers and friends agree with them. Many of us just can't understand why someone would need a gun because we are so far removed from firearms that they might as well be komodo dragons or bigfoot: things that only exist on television.

I can tell you this: Sarah Brady saw her husband, an honorable man and loyal public servant, shot in the head and paralyzed by a deranged gunman. James Brady was guarded by a cadre of professional, trained men with Uzis (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Reagan_assassination_attempt_montage.jpg) and that didn't stop a determined criminal with a crummy little .22 revolver. Is it any wonder why she feels this way? Is it any wonder why she doesn't believe that you, average Joe Citizen have any chance against a criminal? She doesn't consider this "emotion" or a false sense of reality. This is logical fact to her and she was reminded of it every day that her husband sat in that wheelchair: all because of a crazy man and handgun.

Take a look at this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkRKT0Q-L4&feature=related

Most of you on this forum would probably think this is cute. I can tell you that if I got up from my chair and showed this to my friends, they would react with astonishment and revulsion.

This is what you are up against. You are working against people who cannot even comprehend why you would teach a child how to shoot a gun. Videos like this feed hysteria. You might say that "An insane delusion is a false sense of reality to which one adheres despite all evidence to the contrary." But to many people, a firearm-free world *is* their reality, and they want to keep it that way. It's not their fault. They are not "sheeple" or anti-American, they just can't imagine anything else.

Facts don't matter. Compelling arguments don't matter. None of this matters. Only the tightly defined reality of safe, suburban or gentrified city life matters.

It's not insanity. For all intents and purposes, in fact for 88% (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html) of the people in my state, this gun-free world is already a reality.

And you will never, ever be able to change their opinions. Ever. Their non-firearm reality is as real as your CCW reality, or as real as your duck hunting reality, or as real as your IDPA reality.

The closest we can come to winning over the antis is to go after the "mushy" antis. These are people like me: Men and women who really aren't pro or anti-gun. Just people who never had firearms in our orbit, but wouldn't mind a trip to shoot a handgun or a round of skeet. These people are the swing voters. These are the ones who may understand why a hunter would need a gun, but can't understand why you need 15 rounds in your Glock or a scary black rifle the certainly looks like the kind of gun that soldiers have in Iraq.

It's up to you to take these mushy antis and introduce them to new realities.

I have to get my range bag ready when I finished with this post. I'm taking one of my liberal center-city Philadelphia "mushy-anti" friends to the range with me on Saturday. This is the only way to win against the Brady Campaign. Every time you take someone new to the range, you win. You augment that anti-reality.

It's up to us to grow our sport shooting reality. And with every new shooter, the reality of the Brady Campaign shrinks a little more.
 
You're making the mistake of taking them at their word. The Brady bunch, HCI and all the rest have NEVER been about curbing violence. The objective is to reshape American society into something more easily controlled. Specifically, by getting rid of us. That's the only purpose behind gun control. They're not stupid people. They know that laws such as the AWB or the Lautenberg Amendment do nothing but set up traps for the law abiding. That's the whole point. It's an attack on us, personally. To get rid of law abiding gun owners. Not to decrease violence or fight crime.
Exactly! This can be proven just by looking at the Lautenberg DV law. If Lautenberg is so concerned about protecting women, why isn't it illegal to offer a woman a cigarette? Or to buy a woman a drink in a bar? These two things alone (lung and liver cancer) kill more women in the US EVERY DAY than do guns over several decades, if not longer! And if they truly want to protect women, why wouldn't they make speeding or DUI with a woman in the car a felony for a man, with mandatory sentencing guidelines? After all, doesn't speeding and DUI get blamed for the majority of deaths on the highways in this country? What about selling drugs to women? Shouldn't that carry an even stiffer sentence than if sold to a male? Aren't we trying to save womens' lives with laws like the Lautenberg joke...I mean...law?

The truth is that the Brady Bunch et alli will use any piss poor excuse they can think of to take our guns out of our holsters and out of our gun safes. They never look at the long term effects of other countries' gun bans when pushing new gun control laws. England has banned handguns for some thirteen or so years and now the crime rate is so bad there that the Bobbies are now issued sidearms, and the Brits are fighting to get their gun rights back in order to defend themselves. After Australia robbed their citizens of all their long guns, the crime rates in that country have gone UP, not down, with armed robberies leading the pack...gee, I wonder why?

But the sad truth is our government will never be able to rest until we, the citizens, are no longer a threat to their tyranny.
 
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I can tell you this: Sarah Brady saw her husband, an honorable man and loyal public servant, shot in the head and paralyzed by a deranged gunman. James Brady was guarded by a cadre of professional, trained men with Uzis (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...pt_montage.jpg) and that didn't stop a determined criminal with a crummy little .22 revolver. Is it any wonder why she feels this way? Is it any wonder why she doesn't believe that you, average Joe Citizen have any chance against a criminal? She doesn't consider this "emotion" or a false sense of reality. This is logical fact to her and she was reminded of it every day that her husband sat in that wheelchair: all because of a crazy man and handgun.

Quoting myself from the last time this whole "let's feel sorry for Sarah Brady" thing came up:
I've had two family members get slammed by drunk drivers, and one of them was partly disabled for the rest of his life, but I'm not out there waging some misguided crusade to take away everyone's right to own a car or drink booze (neither of which are Constitutional rights even).

I really have no sympathy for the woman. She's at best a misguided idiot and at worst trying to create the conditions for a tyrannical government to take hold. Either way motives wise, she lost any sympathy I might have for her the minute she started waging her crusade to take away everyone's rights.

To quote a moderator who put it even better (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6549156#post6549156):

For those who believe that Mrs. Brady is somehow justified in her rabid pursuit of the elimination of "assault weapons," it is worth remembering that her husband was shot with a small calibre revolver. A revolver, moreover, that had been in the shooter's possession for years.

None of the actions taken or proposed by the Brady Campaign has ever been consistent with or appropriate to that fact.

They never sought to ban small caliber revolvers. And none of the proposed or implemented waiting periods would have had any effect on the original incident.

The original shooting was nothing more than a springboard for an agenda to proscribe the manufacture, transfer, or ownership of the most effective tools that might be employed to resist forms of tyranny.

In some earlier posts, I think I've actually stated it better. By all means [post=3193095]have a read[/post] and see if [post=3621606]those remarks[/post] give [post=3622362]any more clarity[/post].

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3193095#post3193095
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3621606#post3621606
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3622362#post3622362
 
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It's up to us to grow our sport shooting reality. And with every new shooter, the reality of the Brady Campaign shrinks a little more.

cl4de6,

I appreciate the insight into the mind of an anti. Having grown up surrounded by antis as well, I fully understand your mentality, which is why in my previous posts I have said that gun control is not sinister, its ignorant.

You absolutely, positively, unequivocally, categorically, hit the nail on the head with regards to range trips. There is absolutely nothing we can do as a movement to change the minds of gun control advocates except take them to the range, put a gun in their hand, and teach them how to shoot. Period. I've argued with people until I'm blue in the face and foaming at the mouth and gotten nowhere. On the other hand, with one range trip each, I have changed the minds of two antis.

The one thing I never understood though... In a city like Chicago, where gun crime is rampant, obviously people of aware of the number of guns around them. Hasn't anyone in a place like that ever thought to themself, "None of these laws are working, the criminals still have guns. Why can't I have one too? If the laws fail to protect me, shouldn't I be allowed to protect myself?"

If someone robs a bank using a firearm, are the people in the bank really thinking, "I wish we had stronger gun control, " because I doubt it. My thought, even before I was a gun owner would be, "I wish I had a gun right now to even this out."
 
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Cl4de6,

I don't really comment much, as I tend to be a bit more of the person who would rather read than write, but I really appreciate your putting a face to those who don't understand firearms and wish to restrict them. Particularly, I like how you mentioned the reality of one's existence as the basis for their decisions. For a lot of us, we've been around guns since we were small children, come from lines of people who've passed down this passion from generation to generation, surrounded ourselves with people who enjoy this wonderful hobby, but base our decision about guns from the cultures that we were raised in. As such, many of us really are no different than the anti who was raised in a world where guns only represent death and crime, because we come to conclusions that are not necessarily our own, but ones that have been decided for us based on our culture. Yes, I am aware that my reasoning assumes that people do not question their upbringing, but I'd wager that this describes the majority, and would be happy to debate otherwise.
 
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This is only the second time I've mentioned something on this forum, but I'd like to chime in as a guy who is a liberal, a NJ resident and somewhat of a reformed anti.
I appreciate your thoughts and largely think you're correct. I've shot and been around gun friendly people most of my life, so it is interesting hearing this from someone with the background you provided. FWIW, I didn't interpret your comments as a "let's feel sorry for Sarah Brady thing."

I still can't figure out how the antis can stay on their line of thinking though, because for it to work they would have to believe they could remove every gun from the planet. Can they really believe that?

I like your plan to take the "mushies" to the range. I don't know if any good stats are available but suspect that true antis are a minority and likely a smaller minority than gun owners, however, the majority is neutral but swayed by the strongest message. Visible responsible gun ownership for all of the reasons one legally owns firearms is our greatest ally in winning the hearts and minds of those who are adrift.
 
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As far as I'm concerned the issue of gun control among the upper echelon of the Brady Bunch is not about guns, it's about control. Much of the rank and file are what Lenin called "useful fools".

I've met Sarah Brady in person. The vibes are most definetly not "Poor Sarah, her husband got shot." I felt like I was literally in the presence of something "not nice". (I could use a stronger phrase.)

It's my understanding that Sarah was a gung ho anti-gun crusader before her husband was shot. If you have seen the speil in person, she uses the poor man like a stage prop or trotting sa pony out at the dog & poney show. It leaves you feeling sorry for her husband. (note that we never hear from him. No one in the public at large knows if he is mentally competent or not. I have a friend who as an innocent bystander got caught in the cross fire of a gang shoot'em up and is crippled for life but he's not anti-gun.)
 
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