Dain Bramage
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So...what you're saying is even the professional alarm guy has false alarms? 
Brinks Home Security Comercial
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So who really buys into the whole Brinks Security commercial?
The is a nifty query. First, it has to be understood that a goodly amount of the poplulation believes that calling 911 is supposed to save them from whatever harm that may crop up, but now some know and some are surprised to find that calling 911 is a panacea answer. So the cops can't magically appear at a moment's notice. So, they dump the 911 idea and get Brinks Security because Brinks will call them, see if they are okay, and then call 911 in their area for them. Obviously, the cops will come really quicker if some phone jockey at Brinks calls and asks to have a squad dispatched to the woman's home. The squad probably won't come for the lady, but will for Brinks...as if the extended process and middleman somehow makes things work faster.
Who buys this stuff? Take the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson where she calls 911 and is yelling OJ is at the door and is trying to get inside (and does) and is going to kill her. OJ can be heard in the recording. I continually fail to understand why folks who are in immediate threat from someone wanting to do them harm will sit tight by the phone as Nicole Brown Simpson did. Logically, there is no reason to believe that being on the phone will save a person from attack. HOWEVER, folks who will wait by the phone and chat with 911 as somebody breaks in their house would not hesitate for a second to flee the same home if it were on fire. Whether you are in your home when a fire breaks out or if you are in your home and some psycho dude is trying to break down your door to come hurt you, both situations have in common the aspect that danger is increased to the person if they choose to remain where harm is likely to occur.
The is a nifty query. First, it has to be understood that a goodly amount of the poplulation believes that calling 911 is supposed to save them from whatever harm that may crop up, but now some know and some are surprised to find that calling 911 is a panacea answer. So the cops can't magically appear at a moment's notice. So, they dump the 911 idea and get Brinks Security because Brinks will call them, see if they are okay, and then call 911 in their area for them. Obviously, the cops will come really quicker if some phone jockey at Brinks calls and asks to have a squad dispatched to the woman's home. The squad probably won't come for the lady, but will for Brinks...as if the extended process and middleman somehow makes things work faster.
Who buys this stuff? Take the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson where she calls 911 and is yelling OJ is at the door and is trying to get inside (and does) and is going to kill her. OJ can be heard in the recording. I continually fail to understand why folks who are in immediate threat from someone wanting to do them harm will sit tight by the phone as Nicole Brown Simpson did. Logically, there is no reason to believe that being on the phone will save a person from attack. HOWEVER, folks who will wait by the phone and chat with 911 as somebody breaks in their house would not hesitate for a second to flee the same home if it were on fire. Whether you are in your home when a fire breaks out or if you are in your home and some psycho dude is trying to break down your door to come hurt you, both situations have in common the aspect that danger is increased to the person if they choose to remain where harm is likely to occur.
XLMiguel
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Yeah, we all be in violent agreement here, very lame/unrealistic commercial. Nevermind that for the price of a year's monitoring (@ $99/mo.) the lady could buy a very serviceable HD weapon, a decent class on how to use it safely & properly, and in 35/50 states, a CCW.
Gotta teach 'em to fish, ya know . . .
Gotta teach 'em to fish, ya know . . .
Master Blaster
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14 years ago my house (no longer own that one) was broken into while we were at work 11:00-12:00 midday. They sacked the place dumped everyting on the floor and stole everything of value we had(not much). I installed a radio shack system with a tape dialer, and steel doors with double deadbolts. when the burglars came back 6 months later the dialer called 911 and me at work. I drove home in 10 minutes.
When I arrived the police had caught the 12 year old apprentice, trying to climb back out the basement window, nothing taken, or damaged, the siren scaredthe other two of them off. The 12 year old turned states evidence and they caught the other two, one of whom had a pawnshop full of stollen merchandise in his room at mom and dads, and 2 ounces of cocaine,scales bags etc.
I must be the only one whos alarm system worked.
We have a much better system now in a much better neighborhood.
The wireless dialer calls me, and my wife not 911, I make the call to 911.
The last time it went off was a year ago, I gentleman from home depo, had the wrong street, (same house number), and he went into my back yard to replace my storm door, when he found it locked (instructions said install door no one home), he opened it with a screwdriver. The motion detector in the sunroom he opened set of the alarm, my neighbor caught him, (shotgun), and called the police. I arrived 5 minutes before the police.
It turned out it was an honest mistake, but the police officer was suspicious of all of us!!!! especially me, since I look younger than I am, and I guess I dont look like I own a $300,000 house!!!!
Our alarm is always armed at night and when we are home.
If it goes off at night we have a plan that also includes loaded firearms.
I think of it as an early warning system just like a dog.
When I arrived the police had caught the 12 year old apprentice, trying to climb back out the basement window, nothing taken, or damaged, the siren scaredthe other two of them off. The 12 year old turned states evidence and they caught the other two, one of whom had a pawnshop full of stollen merchandise in his room at mom and dads, and 2 ounces of cocaine,scales bags etc.
I must be the only one whos alarm system worked.
We have a much better system now in a much better neighborhood.
The wireless dialer calls me, and my wife not 911, I make the call to 911.
The last time it went off was a year ago, I gentleman from home depo, had the wrong street, (same house number), and he went into my back yard to replace my storm door, when he found it locked (instructions said install door no one home), he opened it with a screwdriver. The motion detector in the sunroom he opened set of the alarm, my neighbor caught him, (shotgun), and called the police. I arrived 5 minutes before the police.
It turned out it was an honest mistake, but the police officer was suspicious of all of us!!!! especially me, since I look younger than I am, and I guess I dont look like I own a $300,000 house!!!!
Our alarm is always armed at night and when we are home.
If it goes off at night we have a plan that also includes loaded firearms.
I think of it as an early warning system just like a dog.
igor
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Up here the business is understood slightly differently...
I work for a company that is among other things a security service provider. With burglary alarms the law of the land is that we have our own non-armed response that does the initial check of the perimeter to evaluate the need for police response. The police are dispatched directly only on robbery/assault alarms or to objects such as banks, jeweller's or pharmacies. We get about 80% false alarms, of which roughly half are solved on the phone before our patrol gets on the scene. Technically, that's not bad. Without a proper certification system for alarm installers we have no way to control who installs what and how as an "alarm system"; if it fills the basic requirements we have to take the client or our competition does.
The stuff we install ourselver or thru our self-certified partners gives no false alarms for technical or installment reasons - and the ones caused by personnel on-site are 90% solved on the phone. Training the client to communicate with us is an important part of the service.
Our guys are supposed to report and wait for the po-po to arrive if there's a hole in the perimeter. They never go in to get anybody out. What they do is place themselves right and wait - that's what they train, how to approach an object, use the vehicle right, what to look for, how to communicate and report, how to retreat safely in case. They carry ASP's, OC, handcuffs and such and wear body armor. Some patrols use dogs too, mostly to search thru construction sites and such on normal rounds.
What we get like this is zero injuries on our guys - no security officer was killed on duty for the last 30 years in the country. The criminal element is well aware that our people don't carry and very rarely carry themselves, let alone use what they carry. That they reserve to other members of the subculture. Brandishing an illegal firearm to fend off a security guy isn't worth the sentence compared to just giving it up if too slow to get away in time (we tend to be able to arrive on scene in around 7 minutes average).
Edged weapons are the problem, they are carried more frequently and that we address with the tools and training we give our guys.
The basic difference is that we just about never have to respond to a hot burglary. Our installments are very rarely even built to include a separate perimeter to activate while at home - there's just no demand. Burglaries happen on cold objects; once again a result of conveying the message that people should no be harmed if getting at property is the criminal's goal.
The insurance companies work closely with us. The burglary as itself rarely is the real problem for them, the afterwork is - or its absence. In our climate a smashed window will freeze over the whole building's central heating during a weekend if not repaired. A busted waterpipe will do much more. As a result we have nearly as much alarms from heating systems and humidity sensors as from burglary alarms.
What makes the interaction between the criminals and us (and especially the police) such in nature, that gunfire is very rarely heard, is remarkable though. I mean, the police are very well armed and trained (Glock 17s and 19s personal with H&K MP5's in cruisers, with some odd S&W revolvers and hunting rifles/shotguns still around) which gives the possibility to cop-aided-suicide, but that doesn't happen while committing a burglary or even robbery... the ones who try that are drunk at home, they just don't have the guts to do it themselves so they call the cops and say: "I got a gun, come and get me. " Even these are very rarely flushed out thru an assault - mostly securing the perimeter and letting time do its job will lead to a bloodless solution.
The ones on a burglary scene seem to have a clear sense of still having something to lose. This is as far as I've come in my research...
I work for a company that is among other things a security service provider. With burglary alarms the law of the land is that we have our own non-armed response that does the initial check of the perimeter to evaluate the need for police response. The police are dispatched directly only on robbery/assault alarms or to objects such as banks, jeweller's or pharmacies. We get about 80% false alarms, of which roughly half are solved on the phone before our patrol gets on the scene. Technically, that's not bad. Without a proper certification system for alarm installers we have no way to control who installs what and how as an "alarm system"; if it fills the basic requirements we have to take the client or our competition does.
The stuff we install ourselver or thru our self-certified partners gives no false alarms for technical or installment reasons - and the ones caused by personnel on-site are 90% solved on the phone. Training the client to communicate with us is an important part of the service.
Our guys are supposed to report and wait for the po-po to arrive if there's a hole in the perimeter. They never go in to get anybody out. What they do is place themselves right and wait - that's what they train, how to approach an object, use the vehicle right, what to look for, how to communicate and report, how to retreat safely in case. They carry ASP's, OC, handcuffs and such and wear body armor. Some patrols use dogs too, mostly to search thru construction sites and such on normal rounds.
What we get like this is zero injuries on our guys - no security officer was killed on duty for the last 30 years in the country. The criminal element is well aware that our people don't carry and very rarely carry themselves, let alone use what they carry. That they reserve to other members of the subculture. Brandishing an illegal firearm to fend off a security guy isn't worth the sentence compared to just giving it up if too slow to get away in time (we tend to be able to arrive on scene in around 7 minutes average).
Edged weapons are the problem, they are carried more frequently and that we address with the tools and training we give our guys.
The basic difference is that we just about never have to respond to a hot burglary. Our installments are very rarely even built to include a separate perimeter to activate while at home - there's just no demand. Burglaries happen on cold objects; once again a result of conveying the message that people should no be harmed if getting at property is the criminal's goal.
The insurance companies work closely with us. The burglary as itself rarely is the real problem for them, the afterwork is - or its absence. In our climate a smashed window will freeze over the whole building's central heating during a weekend if not repaired. A busted waterpipe will do much more. As a result we have nearly as much alarms from heating systems and humidity sensors as from burglary alarms.
What makes the interaction between the criminals and us (and especially the police) such in nature, that gunfire is very rarely heard, is remarkable though. I mean, the police are very well armed and trained (Glock 17s and 19s personal with H&K MP5's in cruisers, with some odd S&W revolvers and hunting rifles/shotguns still around) which gives the possibility to cop-aided-suicide, but that doesn't happen while committing a burglary or even robbery... the ones who try that are drunk at home, they just don't have the guts to do it themselves so they call the cops and say: "I got a gun, come and get me. " Even these are very rarely flushed out thru an assault - mostly securing the perimeter and letting time do its job will lead to a bloodless solution.
The ones on a burglary scene seem to have a clear sense of still having something to lose. This is as far as I've come in my research...
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4 eyed six shooter
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My experience being 15 years as a police officer is that once the alarm is tripped, the alarm company spends 5 minutes trying to call back the person who had the alarm to confirm if it is for real. If they can't get ahold of the person they spend several more minutes calling the PD. The PD then dispatches the officers (if they are clear and not on other calls as is the case a good deal of the time). The officer then spends 2 to 10 minutes going to the house. By that time the BG is gone or had done his crime in most cases. You are damn luckey to get such quick response. Sometimes we would catch the BG at the scene, but most time not. Anyway, most people on this board are equipped to take care of a problem if it presents itself. The problem is the people who are not armed and think that the alarm is going to save them. They are better off just calling 911 themselves. They will get a faster response as it will go out as a higher priorty call then the alarm company call. False alarms are so common that the dispatchers don't get too excited over them, a real person calling asking for help gets the quick response. My dogs lets me know when someone is around. I don't need to pay a monthly bill for an alarm service. The only reason I can see to have an alarm system is for when you are not home, but as I said most of the time the perp is gone.
Good shooting, John K
Good shooting, John K
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4 eyed six shooter
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My experience being 15 years as a police officer is that once the alarm is tripped, the alarm company spends 5 minutes trying to call back the person who had the alarm to confirm if it is for real. If they can't get ahold of the person they spend several more minutes calling the PD. The PD then dispatches the officers (if they are clear and not on other calls as is the case a good deal of the time). The officer then spends 2 to 10 minutes going to the house. By that time the BG is gone or had done his crime in most cases. You are damn luckey to get such quick response. Sometimes we would catch the BG at the scene, but most time not. Anyway, most people on this board are equipped to take care of a problem if it presents itself. The problem is the people who are not armed and think that the alarm is going to save them. They are better off just calling 911 themselves. They will get a faster response as it will go out as a higher priorty call then the alarm company call. False alarms are so common that the dispatchers don't get too excited over them, a real person calling asking for help gets the quick response. My dogs lets me know when someone is around. I don't need to pay a monthly bill for an alarm service. The only reason I can see to have an alarm system is for when you are not home, but as I said most of the time the perp is gone.
Good shooting, John K
Good shooting, John K
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I used to live in a very liberal area (Waxman's district) with 'This House Protected by So-and-So' signs in front of EVERY house.
This is in Los Angeles, so I wonder what the response time would be. I think the city of LA is thinking about, or has stopped, responding to alarms???
This is in Los Angeles, so I wonder what the response time would be. I think the city of LA is thinking about, or has stopped, responding to alarms???
Spieler
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Hey, that commercial just ran as I was reading this thread! Yeah, kinda silly if taken at face value without some kind of backup plan...just hugging the kids close while waiting for the cops to arrive is probably not the best plan for survival. Also, IIRC there was a recent news story in my area that said the police where billing home owners if they responded to more than two false alarms in a 12 month period. An alarm system is certainly an integral part of a comprehensive home defense system, but should not be relied upon exclusively for protection.
Abt a week after we got our alarm, we came home to find a coupla deputies in the drive. Seems as tho the installer re-used our alarm system's i.d number in another house, and then repeatedly set it off at that house while he was installing their system, wondering why things wouldn't work. Std alarm, smoke/fire alarm, panic mode, he tried 'em all. Fortunately the deputies got there real quick and called off the fire dept before they arrived.
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Car alarms aren't entirely useless. I know this from experience, as my car was broken into one weekend and the alarm apparently scared the BG off, as absolutely nothing was missing.
Of course, it probably wouldn't stop someone who was really willing to get in there and rip stuff off while the alarm was sounding, but I'm glad I had the car alarm, as otherwise I'd be out a few skateboards and a car stereo.
Home alarms may be in the same category, but that makes them not entirely useless as well.
natedog
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I saw that commercial and I am thinking of doing a parody of it.
First, show what would happen in real life: the BG breaks down the door, chases the family down, and brutally axe murders them.
Next, show the commercial over again, but this time when the man gets inside the house the lady pulls out a .44 Magnum and says, "Well, ya feeling lucky, punk? Huh? Do ya?"
First, show what would happen in real life: the BG breaks down the door, chases the family down, and brutally axe murders them.
Next, show the commercial over again, but this time when the man gets inside the house the lady pulls out a .44 Magnum and says, "Well, ya feeling lucky, punk? Huh? Do ya?"
What brownie said.
Our silent alarm calls the cops first, then they try to call us and cancel the 911 call.
Wife very good with *her* USP45C: pity the BG who breaks in when pappa bear isn't home and mamma bear is protecting the two cubs.
Our silent alarm calls the cops first, then they try to call us and cancel the 911 call.
Wife very good with *her* USP45C: pity the BG who breaks in when pappa bear isn't home and mamma bear is protecting the two cubs.
Moparmike
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Another line that might work Nate: to the perp as he is lying on the floor in agony "You might want to consider a career change..." or "Ever get the feeling you shoulda just stayed in bed thismorning?"
the_redstar_swl
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HankB
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I have an alarm system (not Brinks) and consider it to be just one layer of security.
The Brinks commercial is laughable. Their print ads in the local paper are worse . . . first it shows "BRINKS" and says "CAN call police." Then it shows a silhouette of a Beretta pistol and says "CAN'T call police."
This talk reminds me of a left-leaning teacher I had in high school who said that in the MODERN world, we didn't NEED guns to protect our homes . . . after all, we had TELEPHONES to call police.
She really didn't like my suggestion that we put her idea to the test. First, we'd start 20 feet apart, she with a telephone, me with a baseball bat. She could call the police and see if help arrived before I crossed that distance and clobbered her.
Then we'd repeat the experiment, except now she'd be the attacker with a bat and I'd be holding a .357, and we'd see how things worked out.
Her face was still red even after the student laughter died down . . .
(Today, a kid would probably be arrested for making such a suggestion . . . no tolerance for dissent, you know.)
The Brinks commercial is laughable. Their print ads in the local paper are worse . . . first it shows "BRINKS" and says "CAN call police." Then it shows a silhouette of a Beretta pistol and says "CAN'T call police."
This talk reminds me of a left-leaning teacher I had in high school who said that in the MODERN world, we didn't NEED guns to protect our homes . . . after all, we had TELEPHONES to call police.
She really didn't like my suggestion that we put her idea to the test. First, we'd start 20 feet apart, she with a telephone, me with a baseball bat. She could call the police and see if help arrived before I crossed that distance and clobbered her.
Then we'd repeat the experiment, except now she'd be the attacker with a bat and I'd be holding a .357, and we'd see how things worked out.
Her face was still red even after the student laughter died down . . .
(Today, a kid would probably be arrested for making such a suggestion . . . no tolerance for dissent, you know.)
El Rojo
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I posted one of those stupid brinks printed ads of the Berretta and the brinks system in my apartment in LA. I couldn't think of anything witty, I just post it up as a silent sort of protest or someting of the sort. Anyway, that ad is the most stupid ad in existence. I think Berretta ought to make an ad showing a brinks shield and say "takes two to five minutes to get an armed officer to your house" and then the Berretta that says, "Takes 5 seconds to make you an armed officer".
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