Standing Wolf
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Ah, the poor toiling masses in the courts!
Britain: 'Let burglars off with caution', police told.
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Ah, the poor toiling masses in the courts!
bumm
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The best way to reduce crime rates is to redefine crime. Works every time!
Marty
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mr.trooper
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Great and Mercifull Jesus, please save the Brits from their own idiotic parlement.
Warren
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Criminals and politicians the world over have the same mindset and come from the same stinking stew of evil, those that become politicians just have a bit more ambition.
sm
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You have to be kidding me...
I got another hairbrained idea.
I "may" have a way to reduce illegals from crossing into Arizona.
Since Arizona has the London Bridge...
http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/havasu.htm
...dismantle Scotland Yard, and reconstruct it near the AZ-Mex border.
It won't take long at 80 pounds per pop for litter and trash fines to bankcrupt the illegals and they cannot afford to come over the border.
Hey, maybe not brilliant, makes a lot more sense than some efforts the UK is doing with crime and the US with border problems...
I got another hairbrained idea.
I "may" have a way to reduce illegals from crossing into Arizona.
Since Arizona has the London Bridge...
http://www.roadtripamerica.com/places/havasu.htm
...dismantle Scotland Yard, and reconstruct it near the AZ-Mex border.
It won't take long at 80 pounds per pop for litter and trash fines to bankcrupt the illegals and they cannot afford to come over the border.
Hey, maybe not brilliant, makes a lot more sense than some efforts the UK is doing with crime and the US with border problems...
Don't Tread On Me
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I've never seen a country castrate itself so much 
I hope that wasn't low-road, but this is the total rejection of any effort to maintain self-preservation at the civilian, police and national level and that is the most accurate description I could find. If the police cannot act against thugs, certainly no one can. Anarchy is next.
Not even the extremist Brady bunch and VPC advocate such stripping of police powers, they actually prefer police to be armed over citizens! They don't want either to be effective against crime. I am very critical of police power (as evident in my responses to threads here on THR), but I'd never advocate, or even think of the idea that they just let thugs go. This is just insane.
Glad I don't live there. And BTW, this is precisely why there was a war in 1775 and 1812. If you want all the Americans who died in that war, WW2 etc..to be deaths in pure vain, then support socialism, gun control, patriot acts...in no time, we'll become the very thing that our grandfathers and founding fathers DIED to save us from.
God helps us all.
I hope that wasn't low-road, but this is the total rejection of any effort to maintain self-preservation at the civilian, police and national level and that is the most accurate description I could find. If the police cannot act against thugs, certainly no one can. Anarchy is next.
Not even the extremist Brady bunch and VPC advocate such stripping of police powers, they actually prefer police to be armed over citizens! They don't want either to be effective against crime. I am very critical of police power (as evident in my responses to threads here on THR), but I'd never advocate, or even think of the idea that they just let thugs go. This is just insane.
Glad I don't live there. And BTW, this is precisely why there was a war in 1775 and 1812. If you want all the Americans who died in that war, WW2 etc..to be deaths in pure vain, then support socialism, gun control, patriot acts...in no time, we'll become the very thing that our grandfathers and founding fathers DIED to save us from.
God helps us all.
Stand_Watie
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To the contrary, we should be able to agree that they have plenty of nuts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/4886014.stm
(the racial slur edit's are mine)
Otherguy Overby
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Now that's a seemingly apt observation. I read a lot of the comments, made by Brits, that were connected to the article. It sure seems to me that the chosen course of action is to move to Spain or somewhere else. Several of those making comments had already done this. Few comments contained any inkling that personnally taking action might help. Of course they might get arrested for taking action. Sheesh, those people are like beaten/whipped dogs.
Most of the comments (other than those sourced in the US, seemed mostly of the "somebody" should do something non-strategy strategy. If only a fraction of that type of crime significantly increased here, a great percentage of citizens would head for a gun store, except in Minneapolis, of course, where there are none.
*Please note. The above comments exclude Brit paricipants here at THR. It's quite obvious they are much more into personal responsibility.
Now, off with you lot! It's back to cop bashing for you.
Manedwolf
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Nah. Spain can't seem to get a high-tech infrastructure going and the government has corruption issues.
Switzerland. Very nice, EVERYONE has guns, crime rate is very low, excellent standards of living, and a hell of a sharp military.
I still think the Swiss model of all able-bodied citizens taking an issued rifle home with them and training for the common defense is what the founding fathers intended for HERE.
The_Antibubba
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I wonder when I'll be able to book a "Wilding and Thuggery" vacation tour to England?
I eagerly await the day when I can knock down old gents in the street, nail a few 14 year old pretties, and steal Grandmum's silver set. And when it's over, I can expect an apology from the Bobby's for being provoked! It's a vacation dream come true, and I won't have to expose myself to the dangers of Third World travel!
I eagerly await the day when I can knock down old gents in the street, nail a few 14 year old pretties, and steal Grandmum's silver set. And when it's over, I can expect an apology from the Bobby's for being provoked! It's a vacation dream come true, and I won't have to expose myself to the dangers of Third World travel!
real_name
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You think it is worse in the Third World than in London?
I felt far safer in the slums and sidestreets of Phnom Penh or Managua or Calcutta or Marrakesh than I ever did living on Mare St in Hackney, London.
Why do you think the British Police want nothing to do with the hooligans and chavs? The British youth are out of control.
(insert smiley indicating a modicum of satire and irony).
sterling180
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20 years ago they would have got longer
If they had committed their crimes in the mid-80s, they would have got at least 5-8 years behind bars, but now everybody is going liberal and making them serve less and less time after each year.They should serve 8 years in a Victorian-style jail.That will teach em ha ha ha
If they had committed their crimes in the mid-80s, they would have got at least 5-8 years behind bars, but now everybody is going liberal and making them serve less and less time after each year.They should serve 8 years in a Victorian-style jail.That will teach em ha ha ha
Sistema1927
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STOP!, or I will say STOP again.
The wife and I were thinking about taking a vacation to the UK. However, I don't think that we will spend a dime of our money helping to hold up this farce. (And, this is from someone who lived in England for five years and really wanted to go revisit some of those places that I didn't appreciate as a youngster.)
Yep it is as bad here in the UK as it appears to be. The Police actually believe that they are a priviledged class and have a right to be armed, they firmly beleive that ordinary citizens are not accountable enough to own a baton. They are not themselves 'armed' but instead talk about Personal Protective Equipment. Personal being the operative word because it is only ever useful at protecting themselves and their colleagues.
Ask a Police Officer what they would do iif they ever witnessed a serious crime in progress whilst off duty they they will to a man tell you about being a professional witness, standing back and talking to the operator over their mobile telephones.
Ask a Police officer if they would want to carry even handcuffs and they will tell you that any officer who wants to carry PPE off duty is nuts.
Dropping litter is now an arrestable offence and yet a burgular is likely to avoid court iif he accepts a Caution. (Firm words of advice not to offend again otherwise things might be handled differently next time.)
Most people I know over a certain age are afraid to venture out after dark and almost no one dares keep a weapon per se by the bed (or aleast admit to it). People arm themselves with 'innocent' objects in the hope that they will not come across as being 'prepared for a fight' because that could mean the difference between aqquital or conviction should they ever have to protect themselves or thier loved ones. They therefore dont practice or even dare to mentally prepare themselves should the worst come to the worst for the same reasons.
I swear sometimes I also get the impression that some of my fellow countrymen act like whipped dogs.
I know of people who have credible threats made against them and yet they are still more afraid of the Police then the criminals targetting them.
It looks as if carrying a truncheon for self defence is a much more serious crime than than being a drug addict, in fact you get more sympathy from the Police if you are a drug addict than if you are a father protecting your family from a raiding party of drug addicts. I know of one person who ran out into the street with a baton to stop a group of three men who had just thrown a large object through his front window, the men ran off before he got the chance to strike anyone, the Police arrived and arrested him. He was taken to court where the Jury found him not guilty on any offence-but why were the Police so quick to see him charged?
Carrying a truncheon in public for example carries a longer prison sentance than carrying a knife. 4 and 2 years respectively.
Sorry for the rant.
Ask a Police Officer what they would do iif they ever witnessed a serious crime in progress whilst off duty they they will to a man tell you about being a professional witness, standing back and talking to the operator over their mobile telephones.
Ask a Police officer if they would want to carry even handcuffs and they will tell you that any officer who wants to carry PPE off duty is nuts.
Dropping litter is now an arrestable offence and yet a burgular is likely to avoid court iif he accepts a Caution. (Firm words of advice not to offend again otherwise things might be handled differently next time.)
Most people I know over a certain age are afraid to venture out after dark and almost no one dares keep a weapon per se by the bed (or aleast admit to it). People arm themselves with 'innocent' objects in the hope that they will not come across as being 'prepared for a fight' because that could mean the difference between aqquital or conviction should they ever have to protect themselves or thier loved ones. They therefore dont practice or even dare to mentally prepare themselves should the worst come to the worst for the same reasons.
I swear sometimes I also get the impression that some of my fellow countrymen act like whipped dogs.
I know of people who have credible threats made against them and yet they are still more afraid of the Police then the criminals targetting them.
It looks as if carrying a truncheon for self defence is a much more serious crime than than being a drug addict, in fact you get more sympathy from the Police if you are a drug addict than if you are a father protecting your family from a raiding party of drug addicts. I know of one person who ran out into the street with a baton to stop a group of three men who had just thrown a large object through his front window, the men ran off before he got the chance to strike anyone, the Police arrived and arrested him. He was taken to court where the Jury found him not guilty on any offence-but why were the Police so quick to see him charged?
Carrying a truncheon in public for example carries a longer prison sentance than carrying a knife. 4 and 2 years respectively.
Sorry for the rant.
sterling180
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Stupid UK-Nuts Actually
I'll tell you whats nuts,here's a list of well-recognised Police officers that were killed in the line of duty,whilst unarmed, but could have been armed, under the curcumstances-if allowed to be.
DC(Detective Constable) John Fordham:Knifed to death by infamous ganster Kenneth Noye, whilst compromised on an undercover-steakout on Noyes property, in West-Kingsdown,Kent-in 1985.Noye later claimed self-defence in his defence and his wife was armed with one of his legally-held shotguns.Fordham was qualified to carry a Metropolitan-Police-issue .38 Smith and Wesson revolver, but was apparently refused permission by a senior-officer, despite the dangerous nature of that operation.
PC Roger Brenton:Shot to death, by madman Micheal Ryan in 1987 whilst responding to a 999 emergency in Hungerford, Berkshire, that stated that a man with a gun was in the area.Brentons patrol car took approximately 24-rounds from Micheal Ryans AK-47 and was finished off by Ryans Beretta M92f, after Brenton radioed for help.Why the hell didn't he keep away from Ryan, considering the fact he wasn't armed?
PC Keith Blakelock: Killed by a thug/s during a riot on a housing-estate in Tottenham, North London- in 1985.
PC Patrick Dunne: Killed I think by a thug armed with a samuri-sword-in 1993.
I'll tell you whats nuts,here's a list of well-recognised Police officers that were killed in the line of duty,whilst unarmed, but could have been armed, under the curcumstances-if allowed to be.
DC(Detective Constable) John Fordham:Knifed to death by infamous ganster Kenneth Noye, whilst compromised on an undercover-steakout on Noyes property, in West-Kingsdown,Kent-in 1985.Noye later claimed self-defence in his defence and his wife was armed with one of his legally-held shotguns.Fordham was qualified to carry a Metropolitan-Police-issue .38 Smith and Wesson revolver, but was apparently refused permission by a senior-officer, despite the dangerous nature of that operation.
PC Roger Brenton:Shot to death, by madman Micheal Ryan in 1987 whilst responding to a 999 emergency in Hungerford, Berkshire, that stated that a man with a gun was in the area.Brentons patrol car took approximately 24-rounds from Micheal Ryans AK-47 and was finished off by Ryans Beretta M92f, after Brenton radioed for help.Why the hell didn't he keep away from Ryan, considering the fact he wasn't armed?
PC Keith Blakelock: Killed by a thug/s during a riot on a housing-estate in Tottenham, North London- in 1985.
PC Patrick Dunne: Killed I think by a thug armed with a samuri-sword-in 1993.
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