Buckmark Safety

[BRuff]

Curious to know if anyone else has had issues with the safetly on their Buckmarks. While at the range, my wife after inserting the magazine raised the pistol and pulled the trigger. The pistol did not fire so realizing that the safety was on, she lowered it and disengage the safety. The pistol discharged scaring her half to death. She swore that she did not have her finger on the trigger so we put it away and shared my Ruger Mark II. When I got it home I tried to duplicate and by golly she was right. The safety would feel like it was engaged when not up all the way. It would lock the trigger but would then after the trigger had been pulled the pistol discharged as soon as the safety was disengaged. The pistol was a few months old but only second time to the range. Returned it to Browning. Took them seven weeks to return it and when I got it back this morning, it is still doing the same thing. I took it back and tried to trade it but they wouldn't have anything to do with it in that condition. After the rude treatment I got at Browning's facility in Arnold MO., I really don't want anymore to do with Browning or their Buckmark. I consider it a hazard. Anybody else experienced this?

Try moving your safety up to different positions, pull the trigger and see if you can hear the sear fall. Then disengage the safety to see if you hear the pin hit. Prior to Browning's failed attempt at repair, the safety actually felt like it had a detent and would stop in the position where it would lock the trigger but then fire when taking off the safety. At least now, I have to try to find the right spot but it can still happen and the Browning Dealer sure seemed upset that Browning had returned it like that.

Please ensure the pistol is empty before trying this or you just might shoot yourself in the foot. I'd sure like some feedback so I'll know what to do with this thing. I guess I could take it to a private pistolsmith but I really should not have to do that with a pistol less than a year old. My 1930 Colt Woodsman still works flawlessly!

 

[wally]

Either your Buckmark is defective or your wife had her finger on the trigger when she flipped off the safety. I took mine out of the safe to double check. The trigger is pretty light out of the box so it doesn't take much pressure on it to fire when the safety is flipped off if the finger is on the trigger.

--wally.

 

[Ala Dan]

Agreed with my friend Wally's comments.

 

[HuntAndFish]

Ditto. I think there is still something wrong with yours BRuff.

 

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

I haven't experienced a problem with this with my Buck Mark. I have about 5000 rounds through it now.

Safety engagement/disengagement has been positive on mine. I have experienced some failures to fire which were strictly ammo related, but never a hangfire.

Regards,
Rabbit.

 

[BRuff]

Either your Buckmark is defective or your wife had her finger on the trigger

I can tell you for certain that her finger was not on the trigger and I can sit here and duplicate the issue right now. Has also been duplicated at the counter at Bass Pro and another Browning dealer in Central FL. If the safety is pushed all the way up, it works fine but there is a spot at about half way up that actually clicked like the safety was engaged. Unless you eyeballed the safety, you would think it was up by the feel. However, if you pull the trigger (with gun not loaded), you can hear a light click. Then when the safety is disengaged the hammer falls with no finger being close to the trigger. Bass Pro sent it back to Browning early in November. I got it back today and it still does the same thing with one exception. When engaging the safety it does not click until fully engaged now unlike before. However, if I engage the safety about halfway up, it will do the same thing. I went to a shop that deals big in Browning to see if I was just being anal about the safety on this pistol. When they saw what was happening they seemed quite surprised, especially to learn that it came back from Browning that way after going in to have that very thing fixed. I stopped at another shop and tried to trade the piece of crap but when I showed the shop what it was doing they wouldn't have anything to do with it. I really don't want to deal with Browning any longer after being treated very rudely by their customer service in December when calling to find out when I might get it back. I will also never trust this pistol. If I send it back again I'll just spend the rest of my life playing with the safety to see if it is going to malfunction again.

 

[SuperMidget]

It might help to know what model and what year.

I just tried on my 2004 Buckmark Standard and couldn't get the firing pin to fall without a solid pull of the trigger.

 

[New_geezer]

I checked my BM and found no problems. May I suggest posting your problem in the Browning forum at www.rimfirecentral.com they might have a larger owners pool to draw on for input. Not to dispute your problem but it seems like your situation is really rare. I've been reading BM related posts for several years and this is the first time I've ever seen a problem of this sort reported. I wouldn't give up on Browning yet tho I feel for your frustration. In dealing with rude customer service people I usually find it helpful to immediately ask their name and the name of their supervisor, request to speak to the supervisor, ask for the name and address of whoever oversea customer relations. Once they realize you intend to cause problems because they choose to make light of a serious safety concern - it can get their attention. No need to get angry, just a comment like - "I don't see any further point to our conversation, let me speak to your supervisor" - most times rude behavior stops right away.

 

[BRuff]

It might help to know what model and what year.

The one I have a problem with is a Buckmark Camper purchased NIB almost a year ago. Just to make it clear, this does not happen when safety is pushed all the way up and I have to search for the location to make it occur after Browning took a shot at repairing it. However, it can still occur as demonstrated to the gunsmith at a Browning Dealer. Before the repair, the safety would stop in the bad spot about half the time as there seemed to be a detent catching it there. Now the safety moves smoothly to a fully engaged position. But knowing about where the location was that caused the problem before, I have not problem placing the safety there now and that means it could happen when loaded. I don't think I'd want to stand next to someone at the range plinking with this pistol.

 

[jonnyc]

That pistol is obviously not right or normal, and it's not safe. If it's less than a year old demand a refund or replacement. Make a very big and very loud stink about it.
My Buckmark is perfect and I love it, but I wouldn't keep yours until that issue is 100% resolved.