budsgunshop black friday scam? was anyone on here able to buy the doorbusters?

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The people at Buds should have expected exactly the response they got. It was the response they wanted. And just like the brick and mortar versions of the Black Friday experience it turns out to be a nightmare. When Walmart sets up a situation where desperate people want to buy something nice for a family member or maybe even something they really need and they set it up so that only a few can get that deal they are asking for a riot and they get them. People die in those situations sometimes. It isn't "cool' to kill people even if the greed of those people is involved. Surely they know there are greedy people in the world. You wouldn't catch me anywhere near a store on Black Friday and I don't think it's "cool" to dangle that carrot in front of the masses then say "sorry, you didn't get there first" when someone doesn't get the deal. There are LAWS against this sort of thing. If you advertise a price you must actually sell at that price. This stuff of the lucky few getting a better deal is just asking for hard feelings all around and for a totally dangerous situation at the brick and mortar stores that are all trying to compete.

Are we all so greedy that we will risk life and limb for a bargain? Some people sure are. And any store that promotes that situation is asking for problems and that includes Buds, which BTW has a brick and mortar store or two also.

Retailers don't do this to give their customers a cool deal. They do it to get foot traffic or in the case of web sites eyeballs on the site. They hope to sell other things for regular prices when they do that stuff. How many bargain items did they have? Do they tell you that up front? 5? 10? 2? They aren't doing this stuff to give customers a break. They're doing it to make money. There's not one thing wrong with making money. But there is plenty wrong with bait and switch and this is the epitome of what bait and switch is about. "Yeah we sold out of all 5 of those special deal guns but we have these other ones that are cool and we'll be glad to sell you those." Bait. Switch. The laws are designed to prevent exactly that kind of behavior.

I'm sure they have their lawyers hard at work wording the terms of those sales in such a way that say limited quantities. But when they have more of an item but only sell a few of them at a reduced price that's bait and switch. It isn't enforced mainly because retailers pay more taxes than customers and they donate more to political campaigns. But the hue and cry about bait and switch tactics surrounding black Friday gets louder every year. Retailers already had to cut back on some of their tactics because people were killing each other to get that special deal.

It's a rotten system that needs to stop. I'm all for making money but those people are going to spend what they can afford and the cheesy tactics to get them to spend in your store cause more and more problems every year. It needs to stop. How many shoppers have to die to prove that point? And if it isn't fair for brick and mortar stores then it isn't fair for online retailers. I think Buds is actually a decent place to do business but they went too far here obviously. The government's hair splitting ways about interpreting laws have led to a lot of serious problems for this country (ahem immigration cough cough). The spirit of the bait and switch laws is being trampled on and there is a growing outcry about it. Just do a Google search for black Friday and bait and switch. You'll see. I'm not the only one that thinks this is a thinly disguised version of that old bugaboo, bait and switch. Technical mumbo jumbo leads to our laws being meaningless far too often. This needs to stop.
 
Did you even read the response from Buds?

Quite easy? Running an entirely new code to sift through accounts to find out who is deemed worthy and who is not based on previous sales records would be easy? As was suggested by someone else, maybe you could develop their website next year to prevent this from happening again?

Buds was unprepared, and that alone is their fault. They should have taken more time to prepare, set an exact amount of guns aside, rather than leave it to a marketing team and a dollar amount.

If you have no dog in this fight, why are you on the front lines fighting it? You've made your call, people disagree with you. Move along.
Who ever did it probably used proxies and free email service accounts in order to mask the fact that they were 1 person with multiple accounts. The simple way to combat this w/o rewriting a whole bunch of code is to use captchas on top of requiring 1 unique cellphone number per account that would be sent a validation code via text message in order to validate the account before the account could participate in the Black Friday sale.

Integrating those 2 simple methods to methods, It would cost the people who are breaking the rules more money in resources trying to get around them that it would not be worth trying....

As to who's fault it is, as a web developer I believe Buds should have planned better to protect themselves and their "loyal customers" from being f'd over and pissed off based on the actions of a hand full of people.
 
Buds is blaming the customer for trying to buy too much. Are you kidding me? Buds is going on my "cheaper than dirt" list
 
Uh no. Only one person has made a statement inferring it was all a scam. Yet i keep reading about "all you whiners " and such talking about scams and "entitlements"
The word SCAM may have only been used in the OP, but you yourself used the term "smoke and mirrors," which amounts to the same thing.
 
I've said throughout this that Bud's is at fault. They were unprepared. But that does not relinquish any responsibility from the customer base who, as it always seems to happen, as a small group ruins the event for the majority.

No one got killed over this, so I'm perfectly fine with the outcome and explanation of the event. Their response didn't coddle or apologize, and if you were insulted by it, maybe there's a reason for it. Cut too close, maybe? I don't know and I don't care.

Maybe there should be less Freedom in the market, more government intervention on how items are sold, brick and mortar or online. Maybe a few dozen lawsuits could really stick it to these smoke and mirrors retailers and put them all out of business.

Or maybe, we could just be grown ups about it and stop falling for the same marketing gimmicks year after year. If the same thing happened in a market your average THR user didn't care about, the latest Barbie or Elmo, the reaction would be less vitriolic. But since it applies to guns, a fickle few will let the blood flow and the accusations fly.

Kinda sad, really.

It's obvious we're just going to have to disagree.
 
Phone died. I said their response to the debacle was a smoke and mirror response. They just deflected blame here and there. That is nothing like saying its a scam. How can a response be a scam?
 
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