Building an ar-15

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I kinda wanted an ar-10 more, but the overall price, ammo price, and practicality of it do not make sense. So, i am now thinking about building an AR-15 instead. I want to spend about 600 bucks, I want a 20" barrel. My main uses are going to be target shooting and to a lesser extent small animal slaying. Lead me in the right direction chaps :evil:
 
DelTon kit is probably the only way you'll get one done for $600... $480 for the kit, $60 or so for the lower, $50-$100 for a rear sight.
 
Buy a kit and a lower from any of the value places.

Del-Ton works. Model 1 Sales has a 20"standard kit starting at $485. PSA has a 20" kit, but they are out of stock right now.

You can pick up an anderson lower for ~$40 all over right now. Primary Arms, PSA, and AIM surplus all have them.
 
If your building a budget ar15 then it's cheaper. If your building a good one not much difference price wise from an ar10. My 308 build cost almost the same as my daniel defense ar15. The receivers are a little more (sr armory had aero precision combo sets for 255) and the bolt carrier is a little more (195 vs 130). My rainier barrel cost as much as a DD or BCM barrel, lpk is the same price and most other pieces are standard ar15. Even budget 308 aren't much more than budget ar15's. If 308 is what you really want search around, you can get one nowadays for not much over your budget.
 
You might be able to save some money on a lightly used 20" barrel. The 16" barrels are popular right now, so be on the lookout for a good cheap take-off.
 
You didn't say anything about quality in your initial post/ Then at least you have one good rifle.

The 5.56 cartridge is probably a more reasonable all around caliber than the .308. Why? Because of cost, weight, and efficiency. Small animals with a .308? Carrying .308 in a SHTF scenario? Practicing with .308 vs. 5.56?

Suggestion:
16" BCM Mid-length with BCM BCG.
If you've got money for a rail - 13" BCM KMR
Lower doesn't matter too much as long as it is forged aluminum. Maybe BCM, Mega, etc.
Muzzle device BCM.
Trigger - ALG ACT
Lower Parts Kit - Colt check GandRTactical.com
Mil-Spec 7075 Buffer Tube - BCM kit.

That will give you a very nice high quality rifle.

It might be simpler to buy a Ruger AR556 for about $600. Not as high quality as a BCM build, but a lot cheaper.


Good luck
 
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Best thing to do is to make a spreadsheet, put the parts in there that you need for the upper and lower and see what you come to.

You can price in kits or individual parts.

I am always surprised at how much I get into one before its done.

Make sure you add in the cost of an armorers wrench and a block to hold the upper. Or plan on borrowing the tools.

Its also really handy to have a set of punches and a few other tools that will make the job easier. So price those in too.
 
If i go ar-10 or ar-15, im gonna want to get a complete upper right? i am fairly sure i can put together a stripped lower no problem after watching some vids.
 
I just finished my first AR-15 build. It was fun, and started out with the concept of being a cheap .300 Blk that I intend to SBR (built it as a pistol to start with). Honestly, I couldn't bring myself to put crappy components into something I was building myself, and I ended up buying some nice components for this rifle. In the end it turned out really nice looking, and I'll find out how it shoots within the next few days.

The only Del-Ton component I've ever purchased was the barrel nut I intended to use on this particular build. It was out of spec, and couldn't be properly timed anywhere within the 30-80 ft-lb range. I replaced it with another barrel nut and the build went together just fine.

You might check out Palmetto State Armory for cheap, just plan on waiting (I had another recent thread complaining about their ship times). But, they often have complete kits, minus the stripped lower, for around $300-500. Add in $100 for the lower, and you're all set within your budget.

But, again, you may want to build something of a higher quality once you start putting it together (at least for your first build). I may build another cheaper AR-15 as a dedicated truck gun in the future, but I just couldn't bring myself to build a substandard AR-15 as my own!


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If you have any sort of mechanical aptitude I don't think you'll find the build too hard. I built my entire rifle (stripped upper and lower) and it really wasn't too hard to put together… I expected worse. Just be sure to buy the tools you'll need for the build.
 
If i go ar-10 or ar-15, im gonna want to get a complete upper right? i am fairly sure i can put together a stripped lower no problem after watching some vids.

Building an upper is no more challenging than a lower, but there are some tools, primarily a vice block and an armorer's wrench, that are required or make the job much easier, or less risk for damaging the components. There is some difference of opinion on what tools are absolutely needed and those that are considered a waste of time and money.

If you are planning to build more ARs, the special tools are handy to get, but many feel it is to much expense for their project. If you have a friend with the tools, borrowing them is an economical solution.

Building the upper, you get to put components on the rifle that you want. Buying the upper is a convenient way to get the rifle completed sooner.

Do what you feel comfortable with.
 
Any proficiency with tools would point out that common mechanics tools are all that are really needed for one build.

Here's a link to assembly, note the constant focus on using alternative tools that are commonly available, and how few are really needed: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/22...__GAS_BLOCK___Step_by_step_instructions_.html

When buying parts retail for a build, you pay retail - the makers pay wholesale or less with a volume discount. That is how they can offer guns for less, assembled, to the distributors, who mark them up to retailers, who mark them up again. Yes some are discounting lowers or uppers and you can pin one together avoiding the Federal tax - but it also means not getting a makers warranty FWIW.

Don't focus on Brands - about the only time it makes any difference is when you pick a rollmark on the lower. Lowers and uppers are commodities selling for as low as $40, and a blem is only a blem because it somehow got nicked a day earlier in it's life. If somebody wants to pay a premium to own something completely unblemished for the short time it will last, it's their nickel. Blems don't last long on the markets for a reason - it saves us the effort of tying the rifle to a log chain and dragging it down a dirt road. :evil:

Look to materials when choosing parts, there are some things that are minimum standard, and others that are well worth the incremental cost to upgrade. And some things that are sold simply because they can be - the public buys them regardless of the fact they offer no additional value or improvement at all. They are just "cool" and it's all part of the typical male one-upmanship young guys indulge in.

Put your build together with a Range/Target perspective - how far you intend to shoot it, and at what, generally describes the cartridge you want, which determines the barrel length, which sets the gas and what kind of optics and barrel quality. After that, it's all just dress up to a large degree, aside from picking a grip angle that fits the intended use.

The military specifications are considered minimums but they are also compromises and are often negotiated by the contractor. Read them with a grain of salt in that regard. Some features or items are historically known to be pretty lame - the forward assist - so consider whether their inclusion is necessary. However, deviating from military standard usually costs more, as they are low production or custom items, too. Building on a budget sometimes means accepting them when they aren't all that nor contribute to the purpose.

Case in point, the A3 upper with flattop, it's not necessarily the greatest latest to use for a pistol build. Maybe a Gibbz side charger slickside would fit the bill better - if another $150 is in the budget. In my case a kitted A3 for $69 with FA and port cover was just as good.

You get what you pay for.
 
My father in law got a runner runner kit with everything but the lower the mag and sights for $400. He then found a lower for $30.
 
I think Stompah makes a good point.

I put together an AR a couple of months ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Learned a lot about ARs in the process..... I'm not at all sure that I saved any money though.....
 
These days, I only buy Colt barrel nuts. I've had so many crappy barrel nuts that I've stopped looking at anything other than Colt barrel nuts. They are the best.
 
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