Bulgarian .25 Flare Gun Being Used As Zip Gun In London
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Drgong
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what..banning didn't stop the shooting??
who would of thought!
who would of thought!
FieroCDSP
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If you need any proof of what Britain has become through disarmament, look at the "Todays headlines" on the right side of that page and see the "Cops looking for 10yr old boy who knifed woman after being refused a cigarette" and "Huge mob of teens beat boy unconscious and take pictures of him."
Anarchy is a mere generation away in jolly old England. We need to be wiser to avoid it here.
Anarchy is a mere generation away in jolly old England. We need to be wiser to avoid it here.
armoredman
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Wasn't that what the Sex Pistols wanted - "Anarchy in the UK"?
doc2rn
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Wow you mean laws banning guns dont apply to criminals?! Who would have thought they would make their own guns.
Cannonball888
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A .25 cal flare? That's prettly small.
I've heard of folks using a 26mm surplus Polish flare pistol sleeved in brass to fire 20ga shotshells.
Novus Collectus
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Does anyone know if it is legal to import to the US as a flare gun?
Once here, assuming it has rifling, then converting it to a pistol without a tax stamp might be possible (for instance, attach a folding pistol grip that covers the triggers when folded so it cannot be fired without looking like a gun).
Once here, assuming it has rifling, then converting it to a pistol without a tax stamp might be possible (for instance, attach a folding pistol grip that covers the triggers when folded so it cannot be fired without looking like a gun).
KiltedClaymore
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...anarchy in the UK, it's coming sometime and maybe i'll give a wrong time, stop a traffic line. your future dream is a shopping scheme....
sorry, i burst into song at random intervals
sorry, i burst into song at random intervals
KiltedClaymore
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like a pen gun?
Novus Collectus
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A true pen gun is an AOW that requires a tax stamp, but if you are talking about the Stinger pen guns or the American Derringer pen guns that I believe are considered "pistols" by the ATF, then yeah, kinda.
Drgong
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I am almost sure that all flare guns can be imported to the united states, it DOES require a firearms license and a import permit/paperwork.
You would have to call the ATF on that one so it does not require the big tax stamp and restrictions. However to "Arm" the gun you apparently twist a ring (thus perhaps making something that when you unfold the grip it arms the pistol.)
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
There's a video floating around showing a four-shot cell-phone gun. Don't remember whether it was rifled or not. Let's face it, in that kind of close-up application, you don't need rifling. Like the Liberty pistol, which was smoothbore.
Penguin used to make a .45 ACP cartridge loaded with a pellet of flare composition about .25" diameter and maybe .5" long. Worked pretty good, just kind of loose in the case, sealed with (I guess) green silicone goo.
Worked pretty good, going up about, what, 150 feet? Certainly enough to attract attention in an emergency if someone was flying around looking for you.
Somewhere in my dusty collection of thousands of photos I have a pic of my then-wife shooting one and the trace is pretty bright, even in daytime.
Penguin also used to load tear gas (CN? CS?) into .45 ACP cases. I think they were intended as last ditch crap-in-your-pants bear medicine, supposedly giving the bear enough pause to plunk an aimed shot in, I guess, the eyeball or something... never saw much use for it, but I fired one in a small room just to see what it was like.
The tears were only a side effect.
There was a small charge of (I guess) Bullseye behind a silcone wad, then the tear gas "microdust," they called it, then a top wad of silcone.
I don't think they're in business anymore, though.
I started to look into 12-gauge flares for my Mossberg about two years ago, but the only ones I found were custom made for the company's flare launchers. They might work in a break-action shotgun, but they were too long to chamber from the loading port of a pump or semi... you'd have to take the barrel off, insert the catridge, then put the barrel back on, a practice I would only recommend to Satan or somebody equally likeable.
I put the project off while I decided whether it was worth getting a regular flare launcher for FHTF situations.
Still deciding.
Penguin used to make a .45 ACP cartridge loaded with a pellet of flare composition about .25" diameter and maybe .5" long. Worked pretty good, just kind of loose in the case, sealed with (I guess) green silicone goo.
Worked pretty good, going up about, what, 150 feet? Certainly enough to attract attention in an emergency if someone was flying around looking for you.
Somewhere in my dusty collection of thousands of photos I have a pic of my then-wife shooting one and the trace is pretty bright, even in daytime.
Penguin also used to load tear gas (CN? CS?) into .45 ACP cases. I think they were intended as last ditch crap-in-your-pants bear medicine, supposedly giving the bear enough pause to plunk an aimed shot in, I guess, the eyeball or something... never saw much use for it, but I fired one in a small room just to see what it was like.
The tears were only a side effect.
There was a small charge of (I guess) Bullseye behind a silcone wad, then the tear gas "microdust," they called it, then a top wad of silcone.
I don't think they're in business anymore, though.
I started to look into 12-gauge flares for my Mossberg about two years ago, but the only ones I found were custom made for the company's flare launchers. They might work in a break-action shotgun, but they were too long to chamber from the loading port of a pump or semi... you'd have to take the barrel off, insert the catridge, then put the barrel back on, a practice I would only recommend to Satan or somebody equally likeable.
I put the project off while I decided whether it was worth getting a regular flare launcher for FHTF situations.
Still deciding.
Gingerbreadman
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I almost wish the media here were like this. SBR's could then become acceptable in the mainstream because "being hit by a tumbling bullet from a short barrel is more survivable."
230RN, there are these shorter 12 guage flares:http://www.alpharubicon.com/bovstuff/marineflaresjaden.htm
I haven't fired one through my 12 gauge shotgun, but they cycle through just fine.
Novus Collectus
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The rifling would be to avoid the $200 tax stamp. But then again if I had an SOT do it for a fee I could not bother with a pistol grip either and the tax stamp would only be $5.
Novus Collectus
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I don't know who made them, but I have a 12 gage flare that is about the same size as a regular shotgun shell and is either all plastic, or the brass base is plastic coated.
Never fired it so I do not know how far it shoots.
The flare is 15 mm
"A .25 cal flare? That's prettly small."
No, it fired (originally) 8 mm K Blank ammunition, and two "cups" can be screwed into the muzzle, in which you can load 15 mm signal flares. The blank ammo is only for igniting the flares.
The gun was converted to .25 ACP "real" ammo.
"A .25 cal flare? That's prettly small."
No, it fired (originally) 8 mm K Blank ammunition, and two "cups" can be screwed into the muzzle, in which you can load 15 mm signal flares. The blank ammo is only for igniting the flares.
The gun was converted to .25 ACP "real" ammo.
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