Bunch of questions from Swedish gun pornographer ;)

[eurohacker]

1) Any tactical use of bayonets on shotguns? Merely a decoration? Gimme stories!

2) Why is concealed carry debated way more than open carry? Open carry has the advantage of scaring away bad guys in an instant, but has the disadvantage of making you the first target if it's a crazy mother????er. Which states have unregulated open-carry? Anyone here carry open? Gimme stories and anecdotes! What are the rules for open-carry anyway? Pistol on hip? Rifle in hand? Rifle slung? Which towns/states have the best attitudes? Essentially, if I wanna carry machineguns around when I go shopping, where should I go live?

3) Carbines that fire pistol ammo. Good/bad? Worst of both worlds? Over at TCF they told me some calibers, the ones that contain a lot of excess gunpowder, benefit greatly from rifle barrels. Others, like 9mm, don't benefit greatly. But there must be some point, 'cause I've seen 9mm carbines.

4) NFA weapons. Useful tactical applications? I don't want y'all to get in a flamefest over the legal/moral aspects, just tell me if there's any practical use for these, outside of shooting cans

 

[Tim3256]

You need to curb your enthusiam, junior.

Your posts (many) come off as more than a little bloodthirsty.
Tip for ya...the Playstation has an "Off" switch.

 

[Preacherman]

Eurohacker, I note that you've posted three consecutive threads asking questions that make me wonder... Try using the Search function to look up previous answers to similar questions. We don't encourage sensationalism in the use of firearms here.

 

[eurohacker]

Try living in Sweden, you will be curious too!

 

[eurohacker]

http://www.opencarry.org/

 

[thatguy]

1: Only for the military and then not much.

2: Concealed offers the element of surprise. Crooks don't know who is armed so maybe have to assume any or all may be causing great caution on their part. Also, many people are not and never will be comfortable around personal firearms and we don't want to cause them undo concern. Some will make arguments for open carry but I think most folks are more comfortable with concealed. I am.

3: Fun shooters, good choice for defense if shooter is overwhelmed by a handgun in a major pistol caliber (neophytes, small women, elderly, infirm, etc). If in a place where handguns are banned (and you can't move somewhere free) a carbine in a pistol caliber may be best choice.

4: Very limited due to laws and social perceptions. Using a sawed-off shotgun or a machine gun in a defensive shooting just draws WAY too much attention and often makes you look like a kook who was itching to blow someone away. Besides, if I owned a $30,000 Thompson SMG I sure wouldn't have it leaning in a corner of the bedroom.

So, what's it like in Sweden? Seems like a rich hunting and shooting tradition there. Still possible to pursue the shooting sports as a hobby or have the laws become too burdensome?

 

[shermacman]

Essentially, if I wanna carry machineguns around when I go shopping, where should I go live?

The Sudan.

 

[Justin]

-blah-​

 

[eurohacker]

thatguy: yeah, hunting is very possible. Sports is tedious, what with the long waiting periods for licenses.

 

[richyoung]

1. As best I can recall, the last real tactical use of bayonets on shotguns was in the trenches of WWI. This is not to imply that such a need will never arise again - who knows? People have been predicting the death of the bayonet for 200 years...yet we still keep retaining the ability to convert our long arms to pikes.

2. The perception is that people are scared at the sight of openly caried sidearms - (What? They don't have cops and security guards where they live?) Myself, I would prefer to carry open, but my state, (Oklahoma), doesn't allow it, (at least for handguns) - I am in the minority that beleive the extra ease and speed of deployment and the bad-guy intimidation factor, when added to the fact that open carry is easier and more comfortable, so you are more likely to BE carrying, outweigh the drawbacks of being a priority target and scaring the sheeple.

3. If you are Cowboy action shooting, (and thus would like to shoot a carbine and revolver using the same ammo), can't or wont work a handgun, or live where handguns are prohibited, yes. Otherwise, why bother? Except in extreme survivalist crcumstances.

4. Other than bazookas for anti-vehicle use, it takes trainnig and discipline to not squander ammo with full auto.


Hello and welcome to the High Road.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

So, uh, Justin...

Too much coffee this morning?

 

[shermacman]

Dude! Dual Deagle's! Dat's da dizzle!

 

[No_Brakes23]

eYe pwn3d j0o!!!1!!

 

[Justin]

Larry-

Too much, or not enough.

Either way, I'm headed for a refill.

 

[No_Brakes23]

 

[Standing Wolf]

I carry openly a quarter to a third of the time. It's perfectly legal in Colorado and plenty of other western states. Very few people so much as notice.

 

[ctdonath]

At least his enthusiasm is positive. Some of us forget what it's like to come into the fold.

1) Any tactical use of bayonets on shotguns?

Haven't seen it done.
Considering a shotgun holds few rounds and is only useful at short range, maybe that's not a bad idea.

2) Why is concealed carry debated way more than open carry?

Concealed obviously means others don't know.
Supporters don't want others to know they're carrying.
Opponents want to know who's carrying.
Anonymity vs. public knowledge usually leads to heated arguments.

Where open carry is actually legal (different from some areas where it's technically legal but cops will arrest you anyway), most people won't even notice.

Open carry is usually done discretely with a handgun in a proper low-profile holster. Carrying a long gun is rare, more because it's just inconvenient hauling a 4-foot 9-pound object around.

if I wanna carry machineguns around when I go shopping, where should I go live?

Legal in Arizona, Vermont, and other states.
Note there's a difference between being prepared and just acting dumb.

3) Carbines that fire pistol ammo. Good/bad?

OK, not great. Helps some rounds with power & accuracy. Real upside is sharing ammo between pistol (convenience) and rifle (power/accuracy). Downside is not maximizing the power usable in a platform that size (given a rifle-sized gun, why feed it relatively anemic pistol rounds?).

4) NFA weapons. Useful tactical applications?

NFA weapons amount to:
- Delivering a lot of firepower in a short time with a small package. What's not useful there? The biggest problem is using that power accurately: trained machinegun operators are effective; spray-and-pray ignoramuses are not.
- Delivering firepower quietly. Loud noises are rarely helpful. Silencers (better called suppressors) save hearing, reduce recoil, and improve accuracy.
- Delivering firepower covertly. Sometimes you don't want a gun to look like a gun.


Get past the "woah, taking a machinegun to the grocery store is COOL!" mentality. It's all a lot cooler when you get past "cool".

 

[Dr.Rob]

1) Any tactical use of bayonets on shotguns? Merely a decoration? Gimme stories!

It may be possible, during a three gun match when you have missed all ten steel plates with birdshot at 30 feet to open and show clear to the safety officer and run downrange to topple each target with a well aimed thrust. Check the rules in your area.

2) Why is concealed carry debated way more than open carry? Open carry has the advantage of scaring away bad guys in an instant, but has the disadvantage of making you the first target if it's a crazy mother????er. Which states have unregulated open-carry? Anyone here carry open? Gimme stories and anecdotes! What are the rules for open-carry anyway? Pistol on hip? Rifle in hand? Rifle slung? Which towns/states have the best attitudes? Essentially, if I wanna carry machineguns around when I go shopping, where should I go live?

CCW is a lot different than strapping on a revolver and heading off to the woods. Here in Colorado, as stated before, open carry is fairly common outside the cities of Denver and Boulder.

You want to tak a machine gun to the grocery store? I suggest you move to Israel and join the reserves.

3) Carbines that fire pistol ammo. Good/bad? Worst of both worlds? Over at TCF they told me some calibers, the ones that contain a lot of excess gunpowder, benefit greatly from rifle barrels. Others, like 9mm, don't benefit greatly. But there must be some point, 'cause I've seen 9mm carbines.

A rifle firing pistol ammo still isn't a rifle. Even a .44 magnum (which is a great short range rifle) doesn't have the knock down power of a .30-30 at 200 yards.

4) NFA weapons. Useful tactical applications? I don't want y'all to get in a flamefest over the legal/moral aspects, just tell me if there's any practical use for these, outside of shooting cans.

Before the NFA of 1934 machine guns and sawed off shotguns were common in private security firms, law enforcement, private citizens (though in smaller numbers as they were still expensive) and unfortunately the lawless. Funny thing is our most famous gangsters and bankrobbers rarely purchased their arms, rather stealing them from National Guard armories. Are they useful? Of course... otherwise armies of the world would stop making them.

 

[gbelleh]

Justin and No_Brakes,

I bow to your l33t skillz!!!111

 

[Cosmoline]

1) The US military has been the only major user of front-line shotguns that I know of. The Winchester '97 mounted a long bayonet, but I don't know how much actual use this got. I would expect the bayonet was handy for keeping prisoners in line.

2)A lot of western and mountain states technically have legal open carry. However as a practical matter in the cities most folks prefer to conceal carry if possible. The most widespread use of open carry I know of anywhere on the planet outside a war zone is in the rural areas of Alaska. Even in the Chugach parks within the city limits of Anchorage people openly carry large revolvers, shotguns and rifles. That said, you won't find people walking around the stores with open firearms very much, even here. Whether or not it's technically legal, it's just not done very much. At most you'll see someone with a revolver in a holster. If you come into the store with a rifle, it's customary to check it at the front. Part of the reason is just common sense. If people see you running around Carrs with a Sar-1 at the ready, you'll proably get shot by someone with a CCW firearm.

3) Some handgun ammunition can pick up an amazing amount of extra power out of a carbine. The best examples are the .357 and .44 Magnum out of a Marlin 1892. The .357 can approach .30/30 power levels, and the .44 Magnum exceeds them. Smaller cartridges such as the .45 ACP and 9x19 were designed to use up their juice in short barrels, and don't pick up as much gain in the longer carbine. But even they will be much easier to fire accurately out of a shoulder weapon.

4) There's nothing like an M-2 mounted on the Chevy for when the ChiComs invade.

 

[Cosmoline]

No brakes--are those notes from an LFI lecture?

 

[No_Brakes23]

I was googling images of DEagles, and this kid's Lara Croft Fansite popped up. The drawings kill me. It was under "How to draw Lara Croft."

Too bad Justin removed his l33t blurb, it gave my pics some context.

Oh, and Eurohacker, bayonets have been discussed on the Shotgun Forum here, and there was concern stated that most barrels/mag extentions might not be sturdy enough for that. Rifle barrels are a lot thicker than shottie barrels.

I know when I carried an 870 Wingmaster when guarding ordnance for the Marine Corps, the bayonet lug was not just a lug. It was a fat reeinforcing piece as well. It was the ugliest Wingmaster (real frankenstein welds,) I have ever seen, but I am sure it could have done the job.