Buried Carry

[tonerguy]

I see people wearing IWB with the gun buried in their pants with the trigger guard way below the belt line and the grip barely accessible. I have people who request a low ride height like that with one of Tucker’s IWB holsters and strongly recommend against it. It can get you killed. It’s slow and risky under stress.

Here's the best suggestion I can offer on "buried carry" :

 

[Double Naught Spy]

So basically your argument is that draw speed determines if you live or die and what you refer to as buried carry slows draw speed and hence will result in you being killed. Is that right?

As a general rule, the more concealed a gun is, the slower the draw. There are exceptions, but the rule is essentially correct.

In the image posted on the other site (your link), the gun rides hide. It is less concealed and should be a quicker draw.

However, the picture shows a sort of classic example of something else that can hamper a proper draw and would be, by your accounting, "risky business under stress."

That is some wadding of shirt all bunched up there around the pistol grip. No doubt the person in the image will have a fast draw and a firm grip, on the gun's grip and a wad of shirt and as the shooter goes to extend his arms to acquire a sight picture, that shirt may or may not yank from the grip. If it does yank free, it will unsettle the draw and slow it down. If it doesn't, it will really screw up the shot.

If you are going to wear shirts with IWB holsters as shown in the image, find a shirt that actually fits. Having a wadding of excess shirt bunched up like that around the gun is a postential distaster, especially when discussing the need for speed. If you can't afford properly fitting shirts, then learn proper shirt tucking such as a military tuck, but with folds positioned such that the excess material is NOT under the gun's grip. If the shirt is a close enough fit, you can tuck one sided, just on the opposide side from the gun, thereby keeping the material pulled tight under the gun.

Otherwise, you can go tell St. Peter and Jeff Cooper how brilliant your fast draw IWB holster worked, but how poorly you picked clothing that interfered with the draw.

 

[SolaScriptura139]

Another problem with your suggested carry method is that if you don't wear some kind of jacket with the outfit or anything over your shirt, it's not concealed. If I want something that's going to stick out like that, I'll just get a paddle holster. If you want IWB and you're worried about draw speed from the IWB holster, practice a lot and get it down.

 

[tonerguy]

The point about the shirt is well-taken.

The point about the holster/gun not being concealed is interesting since it would be kinda natural to want it unconcealed for the picture. I'll take your comment as a contribution though.

 

[SolaScriptura139]

I understand that the picture itself is meant to show how the pistol is carried. I'm just saying that you would have to have an outergarment to conceal the gun. This is kind of limiting in terms of its use across types of clothing styles. In my case, I wear polo-type shirts tucked into khaki pants. I could not use that style of holster because it would stick up too high. If you plan on having an outer garment, then it would seem that a paddle type holster would be more comfortable, considering that the gun wouldn't be sticking down the side of your pants.

 

[Whirlwind06]

I was reading an article in one of the gun rags, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.

The article stated that speed drawing has very little "real world" value. Basically if the BG(s) get the drop on you you can't draw fast enough to not get shot. If a BG jumps in front of you and points a gun in your face from 2 feet away. What real difference will it make if you have a low ride or high ride holster?

I guess you could argue that if you could dive for cover and get out of the BG's sight picture. As you are crouching behind cover the High ride will be easier to draw from.

 

[otasan]

I use a buried carry method. It is by no means a quick-draw carry. It is a way to have a gun (Rule #1 for gunfighting). I expect that an armed robber/ mass murderer/child molester will expect me and the sheeple around me to be unarmed. THAT will be all the advantage I need . . . .

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

That holster looks like a leather version of the CTAC. I have a couple CTACs and they are pretty comfortable but if you want to tuck your shirt in over it (which you need to do unless you are wearing a cover garment, and at that point why not wear OWB) it makes for a two handed draw, one to pull up the shirt and one to grab the gun.
The problem with wearing it high is unless it's a gun with a very short grip like a G26 is whenever you bend over at the waist it looks like you have a dorsal fin (at least someone of my size).

 

[Double Naught Spy]

The article stated that speed drawing has very little "real world" value. Basically if the BG(s) get the drop on you you can't draw fast enough to not get shot. If a BG jumps in front of you and points a gun in your face from 2 feet away. What real difference will it make if you have a low ride or high ride holster?

Right, either the bad guys have the drop on you, or you are in a situation where you believe there to be a threat and either place your hand on your gun or draw in preparation for the possible threat. Either you can be behind the curve or ahead of it. Few folks get involved in wild west duels.

If you are going to draw on a drawn gun, it would be most prudent to be able to do it as fast as possible, even if it might not be the most sound idea. Whether or not it is sound will depend on how the situation develops and how good the bad guy is in dealing with folks like you.