Bushmaster gas piston or gas tube?

Which one?

  • Gas Piston

    Votes: 24 35.3%
  • Gas Tube

    Votes: 40 58.8%
  • Other (do tell)

    Votes: 4 5.9%

  • Total voters
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Does anybody disagree that the gas piston is the future of the AR platform? Why?

I hate this defeatist attitude we have been seeing in the last few weeks. Your right's are less likely to disppear if you fight for them.
 
Okay I won't say anything specifically on the Bushmaster/POF or other piston assemblies for the AR, but generally speaking, to assume that blowing all that crud back into the receiver does not have some derogatory effect on reliability is asinine. You can only drink so much Kool Aid, people.

The DI system has proven good enough for government work, as they say, but it makes the rifle a dirty, nasty bi--um, "female canine." The AR's DI gas system is getting no love in the immitation department. If it worked as well as AR Kool Aid drinkers thought it did, there would be other designs on the market immitating it. Alas, there is not. Piston driven systems, in particular short-piston assemblies, however, are the current rage, and reliability testing is confirming that, whether or not you want to admit it, this is for good reason.

Whether or not a piston driven rifle is generally more reliable than a DI rifle isn't up for debate. It is, for all intents and purposes, verifiable fact. DI will not be present on the rifle that replaces the M16, and once that happens, it will likely go the way of the do-do. The only thing left to debate is how much it really matters, esp given the demands of most civilian users. But even disregarding any increase in reliability, I think anything that makes the rifle run cooler and easier to clean bears consideration on its own.

That said, I'd look into a SIG556 before I considered an AR with a op-rod conversion. The SIG system is older, more mature, and proven.
 
VERY good point that if the DI was all that we would see it being used in all sorts of systems.It does work and quite well,depending on what it is being used for.In short however when reliability is the issue op-rod systems are better,period.Accuracy with an op-rod platform...I shouldn't even have to go there!

Now as to the SIG...It is a great rifle,at least my friend's is.My take on that is although I personaly have no trouble learning a new weapon system and rather enjoy it there are those that feel more comfortable with what they are familiar with,so the transition to AR OP-ROD makes a mess of sence.Not to mention all those parts one might already have,as I do.Hmm,:scrutiny:a SIG of my own might be nice tho' seeing how Bushmaster seems to be dragging their heals with the Masada.:rolleyes:

Wanta B
 
That and with the piston AR, you can still take advantage of all the aftermarket parts/uppers/accessories. I don't think that the 556 has anywhere near the number and diversity of caartridges and barrel makers that are available for the AR. Or other things like triggers.
 
DI will not be present on the rifle that replaces the M16, and once that happens, it will likely go the way of the do-do.

You've got a crystal ball and you wasted it to find the answer to that question?
 
USPSA's "Front Sight" magazine ran an article comparing 6 gas piston systems. It was very complete! The author's conclusion was that the gas piston conversion did nothing practical to improve the rifle. I hate to say it, but I agree. I had planned on putting a CMMG unit on one of mine. Reading the story of how he had to fabricate a tool to clean the rammed in carbon out of the piston reciever. He had jams on different units due to that carbon fouling.

After reading that, I revised my plan to put a conversion kit on my rifles. I figured that $450 will buy a lot of patches, brake cleaner and gun oil.

Dan
 
The problem with many piston setups is they're trying to keep it too similar to a standard AR, with that tiny gas tube and an equally tiny piston. Let's face the truth: the piston part of an AK is where it shines. It has a wide piston with a lot of surface area, that's designed so that there can be some blowby and it will still work, thereby eliminating most problems with gas fouling by distributing it over a longer length and reducing surface contact with the piston with a star-shaped tube. Also much of the powder is vented through the tube's vent holes.

The problem is that they keep trying to make every single part of an AR a precision piece, even the parts that don't need to be for the rifle to perform just the same. The piston needs to become more AK-like.
 
Does anybody disagree that the gas piston is the future of the AR platform? Why?

i don't think it's the future of the AR platform. it's a fad. it will pass.

that doesn't mean some other new gun (e.g. maasada) won't come along and supplant the AR platform.
 
i don't think it's the future of the AR platform. it's a fad. it will pass.

that doesn't mean some other new gun (e.g. maasada) won't come along and supplant the AR platform.

Precisely.
 
i don't think it's the future of the AR platform. it's a fad. it will pass.
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I don't have to clean my DI systems (AR) any more than my piston/gas cylinders (M14) If the di blows dirt in the bolt, does it not also blow dirt in the piston? same maintenance, different location.
 
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