but wait, aren't COLTS the best thing since sliced bread?

[vanfunk]

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As for every fanboy admitting Colt just makes things to spec, statements like "the gold standard" pop up which can be interpreted as undue adulation. I don't find some Colt enthusiasts in touch with the reality of the subject - but maybe that is just a come on.

I've no idea what you're trying to say here. interpret it however you like, but the "gold standard" just indicates money is fixed to a quantity of gold. much like "mil-spec", it's just a definition. it doesn't imply (of itself) that a particular currency is worth more or less than any other currency. just like 'mil-spec' doesn't imply something is better or worse than any other standard.

the rub of course, is your lack of some competing standard. perhaps if you were to propose some alternative standard, we could have a meaningful discussion. until you do, we are left with nothing better to do but argue about the reputation of brand names, a few of which are better than the spec, but most of which are not.

Taliv, you have absolutely nailed it; the sentiment simply cannot be improved upon. It is all so much impotent saber-rattling until the above suggestion is followed.

vanfunk

 

[Slamfire]

Is everybody 100% certain that Commerical Colts are 100% milspec?

(Except for the full auto feature)

Unless someone is inspecting their processes and production lines, how do you know that commerical parts are made by the same materials and processes as the military product line?

They might have two different production lines. (In fact I heard that 20 years ago from the Rock Island Arsenal Item manager)

 

[Avenger29]

Is everybody 100% certain that Commerical Colts are 100% milspec?

(Except for the full auto feature)

Unless someone is inspecting their processes and production lines, how do you know that commerical parts are made by the same materials and processes as the military product line?

They might have two different production lines. (In fact I heard that 20 years ago from the Rock Island Arsenal Item manager)

From the research I've been doing, Colt uses milspec parts across the board in at least their LE rifles (which are civilian legal)

Their target style rifles may be made on a different line. Likely so, in fact, and by nature of the requirements of fitting stuff for accuracy, etc). I don't know much about the target rifles Colt makes.

Colt doesn't make a big profit on their .mil rifles. Yes, some profit, not a big profit. I've read that the typical shipment is 800 M4s. If lower quality civilian parts got mixed in, then that entire batch of rifles is rejected and Colt eats the loss. They have a .mil quality control inspecter on site, apparently. So it's easier for them to have .mil and the LE series rifles use the same parts (minus full auto) rather than run the risk of rejection.

I think after the rifles clear the factory, then they are sent to a .mil arsenal facility for further inspection and entering into the .mil system.

 

[againstthagrane]

I've gotta disagree with that, H&K fanboys are far worse.

no way, how many times have you seen a "which AR should i buy?" thread that's dominated with BS like "colt is the only REAL ar" or "get a colt, the rest are trash" or "olympic and DPMS are crap"? too many.

i never see "which pistol should i buy" threads dominated with "HKs are the only real pistols" or "glock and sig are trash"

while HK fans do defend their products they don't trash other products with the same fervor as colt fans.

i almost forgot the 1911 threads..."the only 1911 is a colt...etc." you get the point.

colt fans are the worst in the firearms world. hk fans are pretty bad but at least they don't trash other brands.

 

[knights_armorer]

i think this was a headspace issue, and if so, mil-spec or not, colt or not, the bolt will fail.