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Buy a .357 or a .45 - NOT a caliber war

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Chrome, Oct 23, 2007.

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Which one would you rather have?

  1. Pre-lock Smith and Wesson (probably 686)

    49.7%
  2. Springfield Armory Loaded 1911

    50.3%
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  1. Chrome

    Chrome Member

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    Trying to decide which will be the next handgun I'm going to purchase. I'll be purchasing it within the next 6 months.

    I currently have a 22/45 and a P99 in 9mm.

    Later,
    Chrome...
     
  2. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

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    Voted, 357 in a S&W because I like Revolvers better, but both is what I have.
     
  3. Ceemack

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    Pretty much an impossible question to answer without knowing its intended purpose.
     
  4. Majic

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    Are you going to buy something just because the overall majority say so? Determine your own reasons for what you need. Learn what will fill those needs. Then determine whats best for you.
     
  5. 19-3Ben

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    +1. Which platform do you like better. Revolver or semi-auto? If you like revolvers better, probably .357, but you can find .45 ACP wheelguns.
    If you prefer semi-auto, forget the .357.

    I voted .357 because it is my songle favorite caliber in the history of ever. But that's just me.
     
  6. bakert

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    My every day carry gun is a .45 Ruger auto, but for all around use it's hard to beat a .357 revolver. I like the K frame S&Ws but the 686 is a fine gun and probably more durable with heavy loads.
     
  7. Chrome

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    This gun will be used for everything but carry (P99 fills that need). Home defense, range time, showing off, etc. I intend to buy both...but it's rather which should come first.

    Later,
    Chrome...
     
  8. Bilt4Comfort

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    I would get the Smith...more bang for your buck.
     
  9. eldon519

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    I'd go with the 1911. Should be a little cheaper to shoot and the 1911 is classic American.
     
  10. StrikeEagle

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    I just have this boundless confidence in JMB, his pistol and his cartridge.

    You pass a 1911 by me, and I'll take it, every time. :)
     
  11. sb350hp

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    I say the .357. Simply cuz of the versatility. Very cheap to shoot 38s all day long and can load up some good 357 if you want to do some more serious PD or handgun hunting. I have both a 45 and 357 enjoy the heck out of both of em.
     
  12. denfoote

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    Both!!!

    That's what I did!!!

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    Springfield Loaded
     
  13. RyanM

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    Which one would I rather have? Out of those two, I'd get neither. You should probably decide for yourself.
     
  14. Gustav

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    Advantages of the L frame 686 .357 revolver

    1 Will shoot many styles or bullet weights from snake shot to 110 125 158 and 180 JSP and JHP as well as cast bullets from wadcutters to SWC's
    2 Flat trajectory with more muzzle and downrange energy with the .357 over a .45ACP
    3 Simple to use and operate
    4 Double action for fast firing up close with the single action trigger pull for longer range precision shooting
    5 The last of the combat wheelguns the frame size was built specifically around the .357 cartridge not a .38(K) or .44/.45(N) or .32(J) frame
    6 Can remain loaded for years springs will not take a set unlike magazine springs which can weaken if stored loaded for long periods of time
    7 Heavy barrel lug decreases felt recoil and aids in faster shot to shot recovery time.

    Disadvantages include

    1 Capacity of 6 rounds, for hunting its more than enough but for multiple threats 6 rounds may not be enough
    2 Slower and more awkward to reload fast especially under stress or on the move.
    3 Bright flash and muzzle blast, not a good thing in low or limited light especially indoors
    4 Does not lend itself well to CCW it is a bit bulky and heavy as the cylinder is pretty thick
    5 Double action trigger pull is not always mastered by everyone, a smooth consistent DA trigger pull takes practice and without it you are all over the target.

    1911A1 .45ACP advantages

    1 7 or 8 or more rounds with aftermarket extended magazines if one likes them
    2 The .45ACP is a bigger diameter bullet that does not depend on velocity to expand or do its work kinda like a quarter horse vs a Clydesdale
    3 Very fast shot to shot times
    4 Near perfect ergonomics ideal hand fit for small or large hands.
    5 Short light crisp consistent trigger pull the same each and every shot.
    6 Fast trigger reset
    7 The action absorbs some of the recoil impulse
    8 Very easy to customize and work on as parts easily interchange.
    9 Lots of parts available from many sources has been in production since 1911
    10 Flat easily concealed smooth lines its even thickness hides well with the right holster
    11 Allot of history both in military and civilian use THE pistol of choice for many who have gone in harms way.
    12 Less muzzle blast and flash especially with certain types of ammo
    13 Field strips without tools for basic cleaning or parts replacement.

    Disadvantages of the 1911A1

    1 Can be expensive or difficult to find a good one and not a cheaply made clone
    2 Ammunition is more or less limited to certain power levels
    3 It is a thinking persons weapon and requires more training and awareness to get the most out of it
    4 Magazines should have ammunition rotated so springs do not take a set
    5 Depends on proper ammunition to cycle action
    6 Not a long range hunting caliber its better suited to 50 yards or less IMO


    These are just a few of my observations and opinions others will add or subtract their own.:neener:

    Either way you can't lose, pick the one that you enjoy shooting the best try before you buy rent beg or borrow first and then get which one works for you and in the end if you can't decide get BOTH!:D

    Sorry for the long post.

    Allot of guys did not cut their teeth on wheel guns I hope this helps.
     
  15. glockman19

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    Hard decision. I have both and love them both. Can't you get both?

    Gustav, offers some great Pro's & Con's.

    If you already have a .45 get the 686. If you already have a revolver in .357 get the .45. I'd find a way to have both. If I had to pick one of the two I'd probably get the revolver. IF price is an issue the 686 will be less expensive to feed and probably less expensive to buy.
     
  16. hexidismal

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    I can't say I agree with you on that one glockman19. Actually I was going to mention that in addition to the .357 disadvantages listed by Gustav, I would add ammo cost to the list. I get blaser brass at $10 or $11 a box to feed my .45s. I find .357 and even .38 ammo to be considerably more expensive.

    That being said, I honestly can't vote. I have 2 686s and a Springer Loaded, and they are both great guns. My favorite guns. I wont say just get both because having extremely limited funds for new guns myself, I know it just doesn't work that way for everybody. I guess I'd have to say get either one, then start saving for the other.

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  17. 1lostinspace

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    Glock 20 10mm owns them both.
     
  18. GunNut

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    I'd probably gravitate towards the 1911. I buy revolvers all the time and end up selling them, just cause they don't do anything for me.
     
  19. glockman19

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    hexidismal,

    I don't know where you buy from but I buy a lot of my ammunition from MidwayUSA.com and show CCI Blaser Brass for:

    CCI Blazer Brass Ammunition 45 ACP 230 Grain Full Metal Jacket Box of 50
    Our Price: $19.49

    CCI Blazer Brass Ammunition 38 Special 125 Grain Full Metal Jacket Box of 50
    Our Price: $15.29

    This is what I was basing my statement on.
     
  20. hexidismal

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    Ah, well yeah, going by that you'd be right. I actually wind up buying the majority of ammo at Walmart. Cheapest place around here by far. Generally .45 is definitely cheaper for me on the local market. Also though, I tend to not buy anything loaded below .38 +P for running in my .357s. Maybe that affects the price also.
     
  21. bpisler

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    I picked the 1911 just because i've
    got 3 S&W 357's already and don't
    own a 1911 at this time.
     
  22. CoRoMo

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    It would have been difficult to choose had you listed a different brand of .357, but S&W is easy to vote against. I am actually a bigger fan of .357 than .45 and I prefer Ruger wheel guns.
     
  23. RNB65

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    1911's are a dime a dozen and can be bought anytime, anywhere. With their pitiful little 7rnd magazines, even the anti's aren't particularly concerned about them. ;)

    But if you can find a good condition pre-lock 686 or Python, I'd definitely go 357Mag. And don't overlook the GP100. I've got a 6" stainless GP100 and it's one awesome wheelgun.
     
  24. Silvanus

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    I don't like 1911s. But I love S&W revolvers, so my vote is for the 686. I hope I can pick up my own 66 tomorrow!

    And you already have two autos. Another reason to get a revolver first. You won't regret it.
     
  25. RPCVYemen

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    For what purpose?

    Mike
     
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