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Really? Makes no difference? Thanks for screwing over the USA.

Get your head out of where ever you keep it and get out into the world a little. Here's what you will find:

China - nothing but Chinese products, made by Chinese, the only things they buy overseas are the things they can't produce, and buy them to copy them.

Germany - go to a plant in Germany, and every car in the parking lot will be German. They buy German manufactured items even when they are more expensive, as they are convinced the quality is better, and it's their patriotic duty to buy at home. This in a country with a socialist health plan that works, 50% income taxes and a standard of living better than ours. And a 4 week vacation.

America - so confused about what to buy by unrelenting ad bombardment from large multinationals that the population thinks that even without jobs they'll still be able to buy cheap Chinese crap from Walmart, so there's no problem. Still thinks it leads the world in standard of living, poor dopes. Still believes their own workforce is stupid and lazy and not deserving of their money, because some jerk paid for by foreign or multinational money on TV told them that was the case.

So yea, I buy American every chance I get, and rarely regret it. When I get something I think I shouldn't from an American company, I complain long and loud until I get satisfaction and help them make themselves better. That happens about 3 times a year. On the other hand, Chinese electronics seem to fail about 10-20% of the time, 50% for things like cordless phones. But for some strange reason, the US population thinks that's OK.

Used guns, I don't care, so the German, Czech and Romanian guns I own are used. The new guns are all US made. I haven't bought Kel-tec or HiPoint but I don't think they're junk, I think they are products engineered to squeeze the cost out and keep the functionality, and they both are admirable for that reason. They both damn well work, and they both are reliable, or the company will fix it, forever. Try to get that deal on a Chinese phone.

There are US companies that made dumb decisions and paid for it (Colt), and are now in a hole. There are US companies that innovate and follow their market (Ruger & Kel-tec). There are US companies that are finally pulling their head out of wherever they kept it and beginning to learn (S&W).
 
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Really? Makes no difference? Thanks for screwing over the USA.

It was the American companies, unfortunately, that started screwing over the American people by turning out so much unreliable garbage. It is hard to blame folks for being wary when they were screwed over by substandard products from the 1960s to the 1990s.

China - nothing but Chinese products, made by Chinese, the only things they buy overseas are the things they can't produce, and buy them to copy them.

This isn't true at all. China makes a variety of vehicle and imports a tremendous number as well.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...inas-auto-imports-double----but-not-from-us/1

Sure there are some great American companies and they make fine products. There are still a lot of companies that are making substandard products and demanding high prices for them.

American manufacturers did a lot of damage to their image by turning out garbage that needed to be repaired just to be functional and American consumers realized that they could not afford to reward the companies for turning out garbage.

The question then as it is now, Why should the consumer support a company by buying its product if the product doesn't support the consumer?
 
I buy American as long as they have what I'm looking for.

As others have pointed out "buying foreign" isn't as bad as it used to be, many foreign companies use factories here in the US to make their guns and employ local workers.

I will say that American gun companies are often overlooked just because of already established brand loyalty to foreign companies that were the first ones to set the bar really high. Now there are top tier American guns to match foreign top tier guns and they should be given equal consideration.
 
And I don't care how cheap, practical or efficient an AK-47 is, I will never own one. Countries and entities that are hostile to the U.S. and its values put the AK-47 on their flags, for Pete's sake!

And I, for one, dismiss such symbolism as so much silliness. If Iran unveiled a new flag featuring the AR-15 family, I wouldnt be rushing to get rid of them. Your logic is lost on me. I don't care for bears....does that mean I should avoid California at all costs, because....Oh MY GOODNESS....they have the nerve to have a BEAR on their FLAG of all things? Being a snob is OK, but trying to rationalize your snobbery with such far-fetched and rather odd examples is just silly (as its already been pointed out, NO countries hostile to the US have an AK on their flag, as only one nation even utilizes the Ak in their flag, and they aren't hostile towards us as a nation)
 
I don't care for bears....does that mean I should avoid California at all costs, because....Oh MY GOODNESS....they have the nerve to have a BEAR on their FLAG of all things?
You're right, the bear flag is not a good reason to avoid Kalifornistan, but there's a lot of other good reasons to! ;)
 
Buy American?
My experience with guns (primarily handguns) stretches back into the late 80's / early 90's. In those days, quite frankly, there were really only two gun manufacturers that made out-of-the-box 100% (okay, maybe 99.99%) reliable semi-automatic handguns: Sig Sauer and Glock. Despite anecdotal evidence, the statistical weighted averages suggest that this is true.

Because of that, I always preferred either Glock or Sig. I didn't want to buy a problem gun that was effectively a 30 ounce paperweight.

Old habits die hard, and I never really changed my views. Well, I've done a real double-take. Mostly because of the current state of the economy. So many Americans out-of-work should, IMHO, make all of us re-evaluate our buying habits and priorities.

Upon review, there are a lot of outstanding guns being made by American companies -- HERE, in America. I gave the S&W M&P line and the Ruger SR line a serious look. Folks, those guns are in almost every important way just as good as Glock and Sig. And, the prices are very good, especially for Ruger.

When it comes right down to it, wouldn't it be better for the economy and the American gun market to buy American?

Personally, I think the M&P line is every bit as good as Glock or Sig. The Ruger SR line has a couple strange things, but all-in-all they are very good guns. I'm not crazy about the exterior manual safety. I'm also not crazy about the fact that the take-down lever must be removed from the gun. Other than that, the Ruger SR line is really fantastic.

So - What do you say? Buy American?


YES !!!!!!!!!!!
 
"buy American" isn't limited these days the way many folks think. "European" firearms manufacturers have plants right here employing American workers.

I have a Sig, its made in Exeter, NH. Its printed right on the frame. I have a Beretta but those are made in Virgina i believe. Both originally foreign companies. Then the rest are Rugers, Remington and a Bushmaster. So basically all my guns are made here in the USA
 
"This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year but paid no taxes"

Sure they did, payroll taxes, real estate taxes, unemployment taxes, property taxes, etc. Do you seriously believe GE paid no taxes? You can't be that out of touch.

Oh, you meant income taxes? Why didn't you say so? GE is really 2 companies, the finance segment and the manufacturing segment. The finance part lost so much they had a hefty deduction. This isn't unAmerican, it's the way it works. All the financial sector outfits had big deductions. I take deductions, so does everyone who has them. You'd have to be an idiot not to stick to the letter of the tax law. Why pick on GE? It's irrational.

John
 
"late 80's / early 90's. In those days, quite frankly, there were really only two gun manufacturers that made out-of-the-box 100% (okay, maybe 99.99%) reliable semi-automatic handguns: Sig Sauer and Glock."

You forgot Ruger. My experience with guns extends back to the '50s fwiw. Heck, S&W made reliable autoloaders; people are still using them.
 
This is a gun forum and if you write something that does not have anything to do with guns either the thread gets closed or what you write will be (used to be) deleted. I was trying to pacify/cheat the rules to get the message out. Technically I fulfilled the letter of the law of the forum but probably not as it was originally intended. I am grateful for the opportunity and do not regret the post or it's contents.
But you should. Debating global economics on a forum like THR, with a specific gun/RKBA focus and all that, is inappropriate. If y'all could figure out how to have a gun manufacturer debate without all the jingoist verbage or debates over macro-economic trends, it might just be allowed to stay open.

This thread ain't all that, sadly.
 
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