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SO, the GLOCK is american made right in georga
those Beretta's
amercian made

LOTS of gun manufactures make guns in the US, so they don't have to deal with the pesky import restrictions

AND some of the classic guns and gun makers, aren't made were you might think. Take Walthers, make in the US of A by S&W and or by FEG...

Quality, that's what I'll buy.
 
You say "sweatshop" like it's a bad thing. This is a fallacy that can be cured with some critical thinking and economics 101.
 
^yeah, you are right. Kids love to work for pennies a day, getting no education and living in squalor. They should be happy to have a job right? We as americans are in fact entitled to cheap goods, its our god given right. A little critical thinking cleared that right up.
 
While many many products American purchase are produced with child labor (158,000,000 children are involved in child labor) firearms should be too challenging for child labor to turn out. Don't let the even greater disgust for child labor practices draw the point that sweat shops produce products used by American shooters.

BTW, the Smyrna Glock facility produces frames that Austrian manufactured internal and uppper half parts are assembled onto. They area supposed to start producing slides soon.
 
^ Maybe, probably not much more difficult than electronics, or operating a sewing machine. My 9 yr old daughter can dissasemble a Glock down to the last spring. Imagine how good she could get if she were manufacturing 200/day.

If nothing else, it is a worthwhile question to ask yourself when purchasing any item. While firearms may or may not be produced with child slave labor, I'd be willing to bet other firearms related items are. Scopes, rangefinders, clothing, boots, tents, ammo etc.
 
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I agree.

But to let you know about the shoe thing, New Balance is all American made. They are also the exclusive supplier of fitness footwear for the U.S. Military.
I'm currently looking at the New Balance tennis shoe I just took off. The tag says, "made in Vietnam"
 
I'm currently looking at the New Balance tennis shoe I just took off. The tag says, "made in Vietnam"

Ok, did some research and the TV show I watched was wrong, surprise. Maybe they were referring to the military shoes, but it was deceiving.

Here is a link to New Balances commitment to the American Worker. At least it's better than some of the others.

http://www.newbalance.com/company/committed-to-american-workers/
 
Glock does not have a factory in the US. They have an assembly facility in Georgia but all their guns are manufactured in Austria.

FN and Beretta are foreign owned companies that actually operate factories in the US where complete firearms are built.
 
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But as a lifelong American and a lifelong believer that America still is the greatest country ever

Does anyone else see the irony in that statement?

Yes, but americans tend to have a small view of the world. There was a recent Harris poll along these lines. Those with more education were more inclined to acknowledge the fact that "mine", isn't always best.
 
Today's market is truly a global one. I have tons of respect for the attention to detail that, particularly the Germans put into what they produce. The market excellence has actually pushed the American manufacturers to rethink and play catch up in many respects. That being said, I really like what I have seen come from Ruger lately. I've picked up the SR9c over a G26 and more recently picked up an LCP. I am very impressed with both and highly recommend them. The fact that they are 100% American made did influence my purchase too.

That being said, my next pistol purchase is likely to be a Sig. You gotta do what you gotta do.


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I buy whatever suits my needs the best. There are some things American companies do best, and there are some things they don't. If I am looking at two firearms similar in features and price, one American made and one not, then certainly I would choose the American made one.

Same here. I wouldn't buy crap just because it's made in the USA, but I prefer to support quality products being manufactured here whenever it suits my needs. Regarding firearms, most of the ones I'm interested in happen to be American-made in any case, so it's not much of an issue for me, but the same principle applies to all products.

For instance, I just bought a new HDMI cable because while "bits are bits" I kept getting annoying glitches and failures to connect with the cheap cable I had been using (HDMI sucks as a digital standard because it's so sensitive to signal quality--bits are not bits when they're the wrong bits!). After some searching, I found an American-made HDMI cable (there is only a single source for these), but it cost twice as much as a thicker Chinese-made cable I was also considering. I decided to go with the American-made cable because of its tighter specs, and I have to say the fact that it was made in the USA made it easier for me to fork over the dough. Fortunately my choice paid off because it works perfectly, with quick, reliable data connections and no more glitches. It's not better because of where it was made, but it had the quality that I needed and its place of origin played a role in my decision.

What exactly is an "American" gun or company? The SUV I drive was made in San Antonio but has a Japanese name. My buddies Chevy pick up was made in Mexico, and his wife's BMW came from South Carolina.

That's a valid point. I own and drive Hondas because I think they have great quality for what they are (utilitarian point-A-to-point-B automobiles), and overall they're probably just as American in terms of content as a Ford or Chevy (in fact, some of the components are sourced from Ford :)). I make sure to verify that they are assembled in the US, though, which seems to be the common case these days for Japanese vehicles purchased in the US.
 
"buy American" isn't limited these days the way many folks think. "European" firearms manufacturers have plants right here employing American workers.

THIS +1,000.

MOST new non-surplus guns for sale in America were made here.

Certain people can be 'slow to forgive' certain traditional US manufactures for their imagined "offenses", for doing things that they had to do to stay in business, but in the end they are still employing US workers and selling quality US guns to US citizens.

It is my personal opinion that anyone who goes out of their way to take offense with that is living in a fantasy world.
 
Capitalism works best when you buy the best product at the best price. If it's an American made gun then get that one, if it's made elsewhere, get that.
 
Part of being an American is having the freedom to buy what I want. When I am pressured to buy products of a given choice due to political reasons, I feel less "American."
I understand the argument, but freedom trumps it, to me, at least. I do enjoy my American firearms, but origin did not stop me from buying a Phoenix HP22A (Canada), Taurus M66 (Brazil), Walther PPK/S (Germany), FIE SB (Brazil), or Bersa Thunder .380 (Argentina.)
 
I'm aware of all the rationalizations for buying foreign-branded stuff ("they have factories here" etc.).

For me it's not about rationalization, but who made the products and the fact that they have jobs that my money is going into. The brand is mostly just a name, although if pride of ownership is the issue, then reputation is more important to me than nationality. Given the choice between a crappy American brand and a good foreign brand, all else being equal I'd go with the latter every time. Of course, for me it would be best if the brand were both American AND good, and fortunately this is not difficult to find among the minority of American companies that still manufacture products here.

But as a lifelong American and a lifelong believer that America still is the greatest country ever (and feeling not one iota of shame over that), I get great satisfaction out of owning American-made products even if a foreign-branded product is ostensibly superior, or cheaper.

Pride and satisfaction in inferior products? :confused:

And anyway, price is only one component of value.

That's true enough, and since it is hard to compete with developing countries on the basis of price, then value would have to entail quality in addition to whatever value we assign to a product being made in the USA. I look at both, but from what you've said the latter appears to trump the former. :scrutiny: What I want is the quality of American-made products to stay high where it's already high and improve where it's not so great, and that's not going to happen if we support American companies that produce inferior products.

"American-made" is always my first choice. After that comes stuff made in countries that are America's allies or are at least friendly to us. That puts anything made in Red China (Yes, I still call it Red China because it's still run by the ChiComs) 'way down the list.

I agree with this as long as the quality is there. I'm certainly not keen on transferring wealth to a country that is, in some fundamental ways, our enemy. I have nothing against the Chinese people or culture, by the way--just their current system of government.

After some searching, I found an American-made HDMI cable (there is only a single source for these), but it cost twice as much as a thicker Chinese-made cable I was also considering. I decided to go with the American-made cable because of its tighter specs, and I have to say the fact that it was made in the USA made it easier for me to fork over the dough.

By the way, having said the preceding, I still bought this superior-performing American-made cable (from Blue Jeans Cable) for LESS than what a consumer electronics store (e.g. Best Buy) typically charges for an inferior Chinese-made cable of the same length. :D:rolleyes:
 
@ HGUNHNTR. I was not speaking about slavery; I was speaking about "sweatshops". It sounds like you're argument is based on emotion rather than fact. Most of these "sweatshop" jobs pay better than the other jobs (if any) in the area they live. These "sweatshops" are essential for a developing country. If you think it is so wrong to employ these individuals, how do you feel about firing them? They are greatful for these jobs. These large corporations directly benefit these regions by pumping money in. Your logic is flawed my friend. By not giving them jobs and not putting money into their countries is not doing them any favors. Go ahead, ask one of these people who you think you are defending.
 
I will buy - and have bought - American when the product suits my needs.

Could not agree more. SOme things just aren't made in the USA. If you watch TV and yours is less than, say, 25 years old, you have a foreign product.

Here's a question: If "buy American" matters, then why not "buy Virginian," or "buy Hampton Roads"? After all, if the idea is to keep from losing jobs, what better place to start than right there at home?
 
Nice beatledog. I remember your comment almost word for word from John Stossel when he did a show on buying American. John Stossel is the man.
 
If an American worker is making an inferior product and expects my business just because we are geographically aligned, then they are going to be disappointed by me. All things being equal, I'll try to buy American. A gun purchase is a personal thing, though. People like different features, ergonomics, etc. I won't compromise on what I'll shoot better just because it was manufactured outside the US. My LGS is getting money, too, and I support him.
 
The economy aside. I buy the best for my money. If it happens to be made in the USA, fine but I don`t go out of my way to do so.
Once upon a time,made in America ment the "best" but time has shown that bus left the terminal long ago!
 
Dan Bear,

I didn't see the Stossel piece, but he's right!

To take this to the next level, how about "buy your neighborhood"? But wait, you can't. That guy doesn't have his FDA certification to sell you those tomatoes.
 
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