Buyer Beware on GB

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Got a little burned, I’m chalking it up to my desperation to find ammo. Should have known something was up when there was no pic on auction. Ad was for “New 6.5x55 Swedish 130g Nosler Accubond 20 Rounds”. With corresponding current inflated factory price. What I received was 20 rounds in a plain white box with locally printed label, loaded in PPU brass, not Nosler. Bullets LOOK like Accubonds...

Don’t think I want to chance someone else’s reloads in my brand new rifle. Guess I’ll pull them apart, reuse the components, and consider this a lesson learned.
Cheers,
Tom
 
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Lesson learned, you spotted it and realized something wasn’t right. A true beginner may not have figured it out and gone shooting. :eek:

Make sure to give the seller an F and file a beef with GB about the bait and switch. That clown needs to get booted off :fire:.


While it stings, at least it was just some money lost and not a blown up gun or an injury.

edit: I found the sale. Previous bad ratings late in 2020 for selling reloads as factory new. The listing does say it’s Nosler factory Accubond but it’s really misleading because I’ll bet he’ll claim it was the bullet that’s factory Nosler.

Seller is a total Schnook in my opinion.

Stay safe.
 
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Lesson learned, you spotted it and realized something wasn’t right. A true beginner may not have figured it out and gone shooting. :eek:

Make sure to give the seller an F and file a beef with GB about the bait snd switch. That clown needs to get booted off :fire:.


While it stings, at least it was just some money lost and not a blown up gun or an injury.

edit: I found the sale. Previous bad ratings late in 2020 for selling reloads as factory new. The listing does say it’s Nosler factory Accubond but it’s really misleading because I’ll get he’ll claim it was the bullet that’s factory Nosler.

Seller is a total Schnook in my opinion.

Stay safe.

Yeah, my mistake for not looking at the reviews. Definitely a learning experience for me and anyone who reads this thread.
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Have to be cautious on GB. They don't even do anything with fraudulent listings that are reported. We've been talking about a Colt Dragoon listing in the blackpowder forum. Listed as an original made in 1851 and $4000. It's an obvious fake 3rd generation, aged to look like an antique. Worth about $300. Buyer beware.
 
Post names and what you know of the seller. Only way to stop them is to shine a light on them.
 
You know the saying "A picture is worth 1000 words." is true. I never bid on something that doesn't have a picture and after having a bad experience buying a Uberti 1862 repro. It was a buy it now only thing and the price was $250. A few nicks and such on the outside, but my concern was about the bore as there were no pics. I knew if I didn't buy then and there it'd be gone by the time I woke up the next day, so I bought it.

Sure enough the bore looked like a sewer pipe in some spots. Seller described the gun as in NRA good condition, but was grading it on the NRA's antique scale, not a modern scale. Of course, he didn't specify he was grading it on antique scale until after I requested a refund and even then he was wrong to grade it on the antique scale as only guns that are legit antiques can be rated on the antique scale, not reproductions.

Like you tho I made a positive out of a negative; I chopped the barrel down to 2 inches and chose to buy a replacement, which I haven't done yet, but will.

After that tho, if a seller is slow to get me a picture of a bore or gives me one where the lighting is bad and I can't see anything or I get no picture at all, I bail. Let it be someone else's problem.
 
Least you actually got some ammo, albeit not what you wanted. So many scams on the net right now, preying on the desperate and needy. Many people are out their hard earned cash with nothing to show for it.
 
No picture of product , and overlooked negative feedback for substituting reload for factory? Oh my - Warning flags abound. You do get credit for fessing up for the good of others.

You should contact the seller and tell him to refund regardless of whatever policy he posted. Also - contact 'Broker ; misrepresentation of product might get that seller booted out , and he sure deserves it.
 
Got a little burned, I’m chalking it up to my desperation to find ammo. Should have known something was up when there was no pic on auction. Ad was for “New 6.5x55 Swedish 130g Nosler Accubond 20 Rounds”. With corresponding current inflated factory price. What I received was 20 rounds in a plain white box with locally printed label, loaded in PPU brass, not Nosler. Bullets LOOK like Accubonds...

Don’t think I want to chance someone else’s reloads in my brand new rifle. Guess I’ll pull them apart, reuse the components, and consider this a lesson learned.
Cheers,
Tom

Sorry you got burned but thanks for taking the time to warn us off.
 
To (re)manufacture and sell ammunition you must have an FFL, maybe you point this out to the seller and obtain return shipping and a refund.?

https://www.atf.gov/contact

....and if he is licensed, odds are his reloads are decent enough to shoot. Lot of licensed reloaders at local gun shows selling quality ammo. Without seeing the actual ad, it's hard for me to determine if you were fooled into thinking it was factory and taken or just assumed. Most places, even the local mom and pop brick and mortar LGSs won't take ammo or reloading components back.
 
This should be the same OP posted about. It is still showing on the GB website.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/890086639

OP if it is not, let me know and ill delete it.

Sure reads like seller is representing the ammo as “new” based on the language in the sellers auction.

Stay safe.
 
I’d bet he can produce his license to manufacture ammo. He has way too much forsale and it looks like he is collecting sales tax.

I’d tell him you feel deceived and Either want to return for full refund or he needs to supply his paperwork to prove he is legal. You might leave him feedback explaining your issue too no matter his solution. I guess the stars depends on his paperwork and how they shoot.
 
I stopped using GB years ago. This is why.
I purchased an inexpensive holster from a vendor that had 10K Good reviews and not one bad one. Paid and waited..... emailed at 3 weeks asked if item was shipped or lost in transit etc. Crickets. Emailed weekly after that never a response. 2 months and a holster arrives. Better quality than expected so good. Left a D review with explanation. Same day got an email from seller complaining about review said they had to wait for it to be shipped to them sob sob etc. this is how they made their living sob sob. I asked if an email to this end in answer to many of mine might have avoided the whole matter. Crickets again. Checked back and my review had been deleted. Emailed GB and complained, crickets yet again. No more GB for me!
 
Meh, you're a good person with a trusting nature. No flame. Those of us that are like that assume other people have the same decency that we have.

When I use Gunbroker, I always go to the reviews. If there is even one bad.....deal is off. Like someone else said, file a complaint with GB.
 
Even if he HAS an FFL and is a competent reloader, he's selling a reloads as new. It's not what he's claiming it to be, and, as such, I believe he SHOULD take them back. And I'd file a negative on GB because if it, the more he resists the return, the more negative I'd get. It's not as if the OP bought the wrong caliber, or wrong bullet weight. He bought based on the description, and, regardless of "not taking ammo back" policies, he didn't get what was advertised. It's not based on the buyer's acts, errors or omissions.
 
Gunbroker allows you to file a fraud report. I'd do that in addition to a negative review. What's puzzling to me is that there are numerous companies selling reloads and doing so successfully. Claiming your ammo as new when it's not is not necessary, unless their goal is to charge a premium for what they claim is new ammo.
 
I’d bet he can produce his license to manufacture ammo. He has way too much forsale and it looks like he is collecting sales tax.
That seller DOES have an FFL, the FFL badge is shown right next to his user name.;)
He has "way too much for sale" because HE IS A BUSINESS.
Business are often required to collect sales tax regardless of where the buyer is located. In fact GUNBROKER now collects sales tax on behalf of sellers.

I’d tell him you feel deceived and Either want to return for full refund or he needs to supply his paperwork to prove he is legal.
In less than ten seconds I looked up the sellers 07FFL (Manufacturer). What him having an FFL has to do with being deceived or getting a refund is beyond me.
Simply feeling deceived isn't a crime and not the fault of the seller. Not knowing what you are buying or hoping that what you are buying is actually what you want is not the fault of the seller. Last spring I had a customer buy a S&W M&P Shield. Next day he brings it back because its jammed up tight with a live round in the chamber. He had gone to Academy and bought 9mmMAK/9x18, not 9mmP/9x19mm. "It was all they had". It wasn't Academy's fault for not making it clear that the two are not interchangeable.




You might leave him feedback explaining your issue too no matter his solution. I guess the stars depends on his paperwork and how they shoot.
Seller has left retaliatory feedback (F's) on every dissatisfied buyer. One dissatisfied buyer is one thing, but Reeds Ammunition has multiple bad feedbacks due to the vague description of what he is selling. There's a reason he doesn't post photos......its not manufactured by Nosler and is manufactured by Reeds. He doesn't want to show the plain white box or other packaging to indicate its made by him. That's not a scam, but weasel marketing and almost always tarnishes a sellers reputation.

Carefully read his GB listing:
New 6.5x55 Swedish 130g Nosler Accubond 20 Rounds
New 6.5x55 Swedish with the 130g Nosler Accubond 20 Rounds. 2830FPS & 2312Ft Lbs Ammunition shipment restrictions: No shipments at all to AK or HI (not our choice, UPS and FEDEX will not deliver Ammunition shipments from the lower 48) No shipments to private persons in States or Local areas that prohibit it; CA, NYC, NJ, MA (we can ship to an FFL). Visit us online https://shop.reedsammo.com
1. It's new PPU brass.
2. It's loaded with 130gr Nosler Accubond bullets
3. 20 rounds per box
4. Velocity and energy are his own calculations.
5. Nowhere does he state its manufactured by Nosler. Again....No WHERE.
6. The last line of his description gives his website address...........of his company that manufactures ammunition!
7. Go to that website, click on the blue "Online Store" button, then Rifle ammunition>Metric calibers>6.5x55 and you'll see the various loads for that cartridge.
8. Click on the photo and violins!:D Guess who is shown as the manufacturer?;)


In no way am I excusing Reeds for anything. I don't think its a scam but definitely smarmy. When one buyer is confused about what he bought most sellers edit their listing to eliminate confusion, unhappy buyers and the possible bad feedback. But Mr. Reed didn't do that.

He has literally thousands of good feedbacks on his ammunition.
It's possible that what the OP received is better than what Nosler makes.
 
Even if he HAS an FFL and is a competent reloader, he's selling a reloads as new.
He's not selling reloads or even "remanufactured".......new bullet, new brass, new primer and new powder:D means..........NEW.


It's not what he's claiming it to be, and, as such, I believe he SHOULD take them back. And I'd file a negative on GB because if it, the more he resists the return, the more negative I'd get. It's not as if the OP bought the wrong caliber, or wrong bullet weight. He bought based on the description, and, regardless of "not taking ammo back" policies, he didn't get what was advertised. It's not based on the buyer's acts, errors or omissions.
No, buyer got EXACTLY what was advertised and described.
 
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