Buying a gun for my brother...

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My bro shows no interest in firearms. I want to get him something he can protect himself with... It has to be a handgun, reliable/simple, inexpensive and easy to use. If I try to take him shopping for it he will refuse.

What say you??
 
My bro shows no interest in firearms. I want to get him something he can protect himself with... It has to be a handgun, reliable/simple, inexpensive and easy to use. If I try to take him shopping for it he will refuse.

What say you??

I say it sounds to me like he doesn't want to own a gun and you are trying to force it on him.
 
My bro shows no interest in music. I want to get him something he can make a living with... It has to be a harmonica, reliable/simple, inexpensive and easy to use. If I try to take him shopping for it he will refuse.

What say you??

Tweaked it a little. Does it read any less silly? Seriously, let your bro make his own decisions about his life.
 
I say it sounds to me like he doesn't want to own a gun and you are trying to force it on him.

Ditto x 1000. It is not your place to buy a gun for someone that obviously doesn't want one. I have been through this with my mother, and I finally settled on buying her a can of mace.
 
This sounds like a bad idea loanshark. I certainly appreciate where your coming from, but someone who is not serious about owning a firearm shouldn't. He will not put the time and energy and education into owning whatever you get for him and someone could get hurt.

I would look into maybe getting him a really potent canister of pepper-spray, something that he can use if he needs to and if something happens won't seriously injure anyone.
 
I really can't think of many ideas that would be worse. You're going to give him a deadly weapon which he has no interest in owning and expect him to be able to use it in the pretty unlikely event that he might someday need to defend himself?

Now, I'm all for open access to firearms for all who might want them for defensive purposes, but no one who does not should ever be forced to own or possess a gun!

Owning a firearm is a tremendous responsibility, and it carries with it a number of risks.

If he is not interested in owning a gun then he will not practice. In fact, he won't even familiarize himself with the weapon. This greatly reduced his chances of using it effectively and greatly increases his chances of MISusing it unsafely.

If he is not interested in owning a gun, then he will not study, learn, practice, and live the four rules!

If he is not interested in owning a gun, then he will not buy a gun safe or take other reasonable precautions about safe storage.

If he is not interested in owning a gun then he will not take the time to learn the local, state, and federal laws about doing so. If he does not understand them and take them seriously, you may have just handed him a ticket to PRISON someday when he makes an uninformed mistake. (In fact, your gift of a handgun may, itself, be a felony violation of your state's laws. Look up your state's laws on transfer of a weapon. If it has to go through an FFL, you can't just give it to him!)

If he's not interested, that's his right. Don't go putting him into a dangerous situation with an unwanted gift of a firearm!

Might as well give him a rattlesnake. The potential risks you could be exposing him to would be less!

-Sam
 
This is a really bad idea. Seriously. There is very little upside (his chance of being victimized and needing to defend himself and doing it successfully with 0 interest and 0 training is negligible) and a whole lot of potential downside (from theft to accident to tragedy). This is a recipe for trouble. Don't do it.

Mindset, skillset, toolset. IN THAT ORDER. The gun is a tool. It is, literally, the last thing he needs to defend himself.

Mike
 
Loanshark:

I know you said you aren't interested in wearing a little black dress, but I think every man should have one. You never know when it might come in handy. Some criminals do have ethics and will not attack a "lady". To that end, I have scheduled an appointment to take you shopping for that little black dress, and moreover to have it custom fit. Please be prompt. I hate for a "lady" to keep me waiting.

Thinking of your security,

Geno (Get the picture?) :evil:
 
I have to agree that this sounds like a recipe for disaster. If he is that disengaged then he will not shoot it, learn about it and train with it. This greatly decreases the likely hood of him using it to effectively defend himself.
 
As everyone else has said, BAD idea. Don't even loan him one. He won't care about it and it'll probably get stolen.

Buy him some pepper spray if you feel compelled to look out more for his safety than he deems necessary. He won't care about the pepper spray, either, but at least is didn't cost you as much.
 
This is NOT a good idea. Period. Let him make his own decisions about how he chooses to defend himself.

Jim H.
 
What say you??

You're kidding, right?

First get him interested in shooting.

Then purchase a handgun that fits him.

Then the two of you take some training courses together to learn how to run your respective firearms in a defensive incident.

Or, purchase that little black dress and show up wearing it, before Halloween, and tell him you're going to wear it until he goes shooting with you. Be sure to get matching shoes and gun purse so you don't get laughed at for not having the proper accessories.
 
First get him interested in shooting.


I would do this before buying him a handgun.

If I try to take him shopping for it he will refuse.

What say you??


If he still refuses to own a gun then let it go. The 2A says we have "the right to keep and bear arms" it doesn't say we have to.
 
Please DON'T!!!

The absolutely worst situation to create is someone with a gun who lacks the will to use it. It WILL be used on him if it is around. Then you will have armed the person(s) who harmed him...

The pepper spray is an o.k. idea... but if he won't use it and it is around, he may get sprayed... This is why cops study retaining their weapon more than anything else...

If you are so silly to insist, a snub .38 is small, an be inexpensive and easy to work with and have decent resale if not stolen... but more likely will be stolen. Thank you for your concern. No thank you for your smothering motherliness. luck.
 
I'm going to run a bit with this. If there is a threat on your bro's life, I commend you for your concern. But, instead of a handgun that takes a bit of skill to successfully and safely operate, buy him a pump shotgun and a box of shells. You can get a new Mossberg for $200 or so; a used one for significantly less. Even new, you're under the price of a handgun. A few minutes explanation and he will be significantly better armed and prepared than a handgun.

If this is just a general concern without a specific threat, the advice given is good.

Q
 
Just as I have the right to own as many firearms as I want, others have the right to choose not to own any. It's their right. Leave him alone. Do what the others have suggested and buy him a can of pepper spray. A person with a gun who doesn't know how to properly use it is more of a danger to himself and his loved ones than to a criminal.
 
I hear you. I need to get him to the range! I think he would enjoy it if he would give it a chance.He's pro gun. But it's like he has a hangup.

It could be that I shot him in the back with a BB gun.when we were kids. Maybe he's afraid I'll do it again!!
 
It could be that I shot him in the back with a BB gun.when we were kids. Maybe he's afraid I'll do it again!!

Tell him he gets to control the guns this time and you won't even touch it except to demonstrate the proper response to a misfire or jam.
 
Tell him he gets to control the guns this time and you won't even touch it except to demonstrate the proper response to a misfire or jam.

You know that could be all it takes. Why didn't I think of that?
 
If you're going to take your "pro-guns" brother to the range and teach him to shoot, DO NOT start him out on anything but a .22 LR, preferably a revolver.

Teach him the fundamentals of safety, etc., before going to the range.

L.W.
 
loanshark, in you 1st post you said you bro has no interest........you did not say he's against firearms or not able to use one in his self defense maybe as all things being as they are maybe he has low cash as alot of us anymore and doesn't have the extra cash to spend, your a Good Bro wanting he to be able to allow him to defend himself and as you both will have another great hobby you both can share will allow him to enjoy you that much mor as leanwolf said a revolver and you can buy used for even better saving the more common larger cal's that ammo will be easier to get the better... .38 would be a fine choice to get him (try to get him a hammerless one) then all he needs to do is pull the trigger....
 
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