Guillermo
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But the violation was over one gun.
ABSOLUTELY.
Buying A Gun To Resell?
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But the violation was over one gun.
ABSOLUTELY.
dogtown tom
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Please don't invent statements I did not make. I didn't post that.
TexasRifleman
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dogtown tom said:
You said:
dogtown_tom said:
Where did I misunderstand your post? That says to me that you didn't feel comfortable buying and selling to enhance a collection so you got an FFL. That is NOT illegal by the way, just that ATF doesn't issue them as often for this purpose, if at all, so getting an FFL to avoid this "occasional sale" trap isn't really viable for most people. If I've misunderstood you my apologies, but it seemed pretty clear in your post.
Guillermo said:
The violation was over one trade but I suspect there was evidence of repeated trades before that. That's sort of my point. These stories of "I heard about this guy" never seem to be accompanied by any details. Like I said, it may happen but where are the details?
Let us also remember... having a table at a gun show makes it more likely that you'll be noticed. The guy walking around with a lever action 30-30 slung over his back with a for sale sign on it is probably not selling to make a living.
The guy with a table... whether he is or not, the fact is that he does have a table. He's got enough to sell that he cannot just carry it around with him. If this is a one time thing while he tries to pull money together for a new Barrett .50 for his own collection, he won't be back next time with his table.
Showing up at every gun show within a hundred miles for six years with a table makes it look like you're doing business.
Doing something that's in the grey area of legal, like buying a gun then turning around and immediately selling it when there is attention on you already is not a smart thing to do.
The guy with a table... whether he is or not, the fact is that he does have a table. He's got enough to sell that he cannot just carry it around with him. If this is a one time thing while he tries to pull money together for a new Barrett .50 for his own collection, he won't be back next time with his table.
Showing up at every gun show within a hundred miles for six years with a table makes it look like you're doing business.
Doing something that's in the grey area of legal, like buying a gun then turning around and immediately selling it when there is attention on you already is not a smart thing to do.
dogtown tom
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Eleven guns over a three year period:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/may/17/germantown-gun-dealer-gets-3-months-prison-no-lice/
Take note of what his own attorney said.
"Collectors" who were busted in 2003
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=42686
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/may/17/germantown-gun-dealer-gets-3-months-prison-no-lice/
Take note of what his own attorney said.
"Collectors" who were busted in 2003
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=42686
TexasRifleman
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LOL right, and notice the warnings they gave him.
And from the other story:
Again, setting up a table at a gun show is pretty much asking for it, I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.
Paying money to get a table at a gun show makes it harder to argue you are simply out to enhance a collection, clearly.
You're finding exactly what I mean, cases in the extreme; guys selling in quantity and at their own tables. That's just asking for it, seriously.
Again, I am not saying ATF won't hassle you, I'm not saying ATF won't go WAY beyond what they should to get someone. All I am saying is that in the cases where they have busted folks for "doing business" without an FFL the circumstances seem pretty extreme.
The average guy who decides he doesn't want a gun anymore, or sells a couple of things to fund something new, simply doesn't have much to fear here. Start renting tables at gun shows you might as well staple a target to your back. Common sense.
And from the other story:
Again, setting up a table at a gun show is pretty much asking for it, I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.
Paying money to get a table at a gun show makes it harder to argue you are simply out to enhance a collection, clearly.
You're finding exactly what I mean, cases in the extreme; guys selling in quantity and at their own tables. That's just asking for it, seriously.
Again, I am not saying ATF won't hassle you, I'm not saying ATF won't go WAY beyond what they should to get someone. All I am saying is that in the cases where they have busted folks for "doing business" without an FFL the circumstances seem pretty extreme.
The average guy who decides he doesn't want a gun anymore, or sells a couple of things to fund something new, simply doesn't have much to fear here. Start renting tables at gun shows you might as well staple a target to your back. Common sense.
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