By God I guess the poor man ain't supposed to hunt
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MCgunner
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Damn, I need a small tractor.
Quoheleth
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McGunner,
Come up to Liberty County. Up towards Hardin, lots of good ol' boys are leasing property for reasonable prices. Hogs, deer and ducks.
Correction: this is what I have been told. I don't hunt, unless invited [read: for free], so I don't worry about hunting lands for myself.
Q
Come up to Liberty County. Up towards Hardin, lots of good ol' boys are leasing property for reasonable prices. Hogs, deer and ducks.
Correction: this is what I have been told. I don't hunt, unless invited [read: for free], so I don't worry about hunting lands for myself.
Q
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pay to hunt?
Art Eatman
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hogman, folks have been paying to hunt on private lands since way, way back. The last thirty or so years have seen prices go way up.
Even on "free" public land you have to buy a license. You're from Oregon? Check out your cost to hunt in, say, Colorado.
Over-simplified: Back when half the workforce lived on-farm or on-ranch, there was plenty of room in which to hunt. A lesser percentage of city folks were hunters. Folks moved to town, made money, and then some of them began to bid against each other for places to hunt--which naturally raised the cost of having fun.
The environmental movement got a bunch of city people interested in the outdoors, and many wanted to get into hunting. At the same time, the numbers of "good ol' country boy" hunters declined just because there are fewer good ol' country boys.
Frustrating and aggravating, but nothing abnormal or unexpected. At least the Texas Parks & Wildlife folks have actively worked at helping the po' folks find low-cost places. They have been, for over twenty years.
Even on "free" public land you have to buy a license. You're from Oregon? Check out your cost to hunt in, say, Colorado.
Over-simplified: Back when half the workforce lived on-farm or on-ranch, there was plenty of room in which to hunt. A lesser percentage of city folks were hunters. Folks moved to town, made money, and then some of them began to bid against each other for places to hunt--which naturally raised the cost of having fun.
The environmental movement got a bunch of city people interested in the outdoors, and many wanted to get into hunting. At the same time, the numbers of "good ol' country boy" hunters declined just because there are fewer good ol' country boys.
Frustrating and aggravating, but nothing abnormal or unexpected. At least the Texas Parks & Wildlife folks have actively worked at helping the po' folks find low-cost places. They have been, for over twenty years.
MCgunner
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I buy an APH (permit to the "free" hunting lands, 48 bucks) every year and I get my money's worth just in waterfowl hunting. There's lots of good dove hunting on that program, too. Deer, well, if you don't live near there where you can scout year round (all in the east Texas piney woods), it ain't that great. There's some hog hunting areas that I've not tried and should. There's plenty of great small game hunting on that system, some of the best in the state.
Hell, if I sold my place and got a small travel trailer, I could make better use of that permit if nothing else. I'm not really all about deer hunting, anyway. I like to eat hogs, though, and I do love to squirrel hunt in the spring. I grew up hunting squirrel from before I was a teen. It's how I learned. We lived in a live oak bottom near a creek. It was full of squirrel.
Hell, if I sold my place and got a small travel trailer, I could make better use of that permit if nothing else. I'm not really all about deer hunting, anyway. I like to eat hogs, though, and I do love to squirrel hunt in the spring. I grew up hunting squirrel from before I was a teen. It's how I learned. We lived in a live oak bottom near a creek. It was full of squirrel.
Vern Humphrey
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The question I have is, why would anyone expect to hunt free on private land? Would you expect someone to allow you to live in his house for free?
Art Eatman
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Vern, back in the "used to be", it was fairly common to be able to get hunting permission from a landowner, without money being involved. Not everywhere, of course, but fairly common.
Back when I was a kid, every farmer around knew that a fair number of us were all over the countryside with our .22s. With no history of any "Oops!", nobody was particularly concerned.
Back when I was a kid, every farmer around knew that a fair number of us were all over the countryside with our .22s. With no history of any "Oops!", nobody was particularly concerned.
What Art says is equally true here in Sweden. With the move away from the country side there are more townie hunters. Town based hunters who are willing to pay big moneyto be in a hunting team. Not forgetting the Danish and German hunters who are willing to pay big money to hunt here.
You can't blame farmers and forest owners for wanting to cash in on this as times are hard. Not forgetting that farmers suffer with the problem of short arms and deep pockets
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We are lucky as we don't have a yearly tax on farming, forest land.
We do have public hunting land but it still cost for permits.
You can't blame farmers and forest owners for wanting to cash in on this as times are hard. Not forgetting that farmers suffer with the problem of short arms and deep pockets
.We are lucky as we don't have a yearly tax on farming, forest land.
We do have public hunting land but it still cost for permits.
Vern Humphrey
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Nowadays, a man who doesn't post his land gets taken advantage of.
When a known meth dealer starts running his 4-wheeler up and down the trails on your property, you put up "No Trespassing signs and patrol your land.
When a known meth dealer starts running his 4-wheeler up and down the trails on your property, you put up "No Trespassing signs and patrol your land.
41 Mag
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MC,
I can certainly relate to your situation. The wife and I purchased 10 acres in Anderson county last year a mile up the road from my mom's place. I admit I paid a bit more than I wanted to, but the place already had power and was on the right side of the road to connect to water.
When we got everything settled and went to the tax office the original folks had it under Ag and the tax was $48 a year. They figured it would be somewhere around 400 for us seeing we weren't going that route. Got my statement in and it was just under a grand. When I appealed it they said that it was due to the surrounding property values going at such high prices it brought everything up. WE went and looked around and it was absurd at some of the prices they are getting for small tracts of 1-5 acres.
We looked into every which a way to exempt it, but we are either to small for the wildlife (min of 19 acres), or will have to harvest the timber, (which was the main reason we purchased it in the first place), or clear enough of it to graze several cows (got to have x amount of pasture per cow). Right now our only option is to homestead it, and we will have to purchase a travel trailer to get that. Any way you slice it it totally sucks. If we put up anything with out wheels on it they will up the taxes and that will override the homestead.
As to the wetlands deal, friends of ours had areas on their place declared wetlands by the feds, who came out during one rain soaked year. They did a survey of the whole area and then posted notices on all of the properties which applied in that area. Bad thing is they can do absolutely nothing with these areas even though now they aren't wet. They had water on them when the survey was done due to the unconditional amount of rain they had that one particular year.
I can certainly relate to your situation. The wife and I purchased 10 acres in Anderson county last year a mile up the road from my mom's place. I admit I paid a bit more than I wanted to, but the place already had power and was on the right side of the road to connect to water.
When we got everything settled and went to the tax office the original folks had it under Ag and the tax was $48 a year. They figured it would be somewhere around 400 for us seeing we weren't going that route. Got my statement in and it was just under a grand. When I appealed it they said that it was due to the surrounding property values going at such high prices it brought everything up. WE went and looked around and it was absurd at some of the prices they are getting for small tracts of 1-5 acres.
We looked into every which a way to exempt it, but we are either to small for the wildlife (min of 19 acres), or will have to harvest the timber, (which was the main reason we purchased it in the first place), or clear enough of it to graze several cows (got to have x amount of pasture per cow). Right now our only option is to homestead it, and we will have to purchase a travel trailer to get that. Any way you slice it it totally sucks. If we put up anything with out wheels on it they will up the taxes and that will override the homestead.
As to the wetlands deal, friends of ours had areas on their place declared wetlands by the feds, who came out during one rain soaked year. They did a survey of the whole area and then posted notices on all of the properties which applied in that area. Bad thing is they can do absolutely nothing with these areas even though now they aren't wet. They had water on them when the survey was done due to the unconditional amount of rain they had that one particular year.
Art Eatman
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Re land prices: I read an article in "Range" magazine some years back, titled, "Five Acres, Five Miles From Town". That became a national fad for folks trying to escape cities yet keep the city lifestyle. I watched land prices around Thomasville, Georgia, go from around $400 an acre for tracts in the 20- to 200-acre size on up into the thousands of dollars per acre.
The tax folks loved it.
As we go back to oil above $100/bbl, a lot of these people are gonna be in deep doo-doo. Add in this carbon tax deal, and the cost of living outside of town will skyrocket. It won't be an overnight thing, but there's gonna be a bunch of decline in the price of land. This depression we're getting into won't help rural living, either.
The tax folks loved it.
As we go back to oil above $100/bbl, a lot of these people are gonna be in deep doo-doo. Add in this carbon tax deal, and the cost of living outside of town will skyrocket. It won't be an overnight thing, but there's gonna be a bunch of decline in the price of land. This depression we're getting into won't help rural living, either.
MCgunner
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41 Mag, that story sounds very familiar, especially the account of the protest. LOL! I think my only real solution is to sell it, but it's such good hunting down there and I know that I will have a hard time ever finding such a small tract with so much game on it anywhere else. Over the years, this place has given me much joy, and even when I was in that hunting club, I knew I had a place 25 miles from the house to play on as back up if I couldn't afford the club, which eventually happened.
Fortunately, my wife starts getting her state retirement checks next year, will significantly help out. One check will take care of the place. She gripes that "it's YOUR land, I don't hunt on it!" to which I tell here when it's sold, it'll be half HER money, right? LOL I paid for it, sure, but I also paid for the house and have paid all the utilities and bills for the last 30 years. I have that trump card to hold over her, LOL, but we've already decided that extra money goes into a savings since neither of us need it for bills. So, it'll be available for the taxes and I already have this years about saved up. What really peeves me about it is that I'd figured on buying another firearm at the end of the year, but now, I have to pay taxes with it, LOL!!!!!
Oh, well, I guess I'll hang on to it for a while. I'm over the initial shock. Now, if it keeps going up at the rate it has for the last five years, from 200 a year to 800, all bets are off. If it breaks out over a grand and don't liook like it's going to stop, I might just sell the place and weep for my lack of hunting every season. That's kinda what scares me, when or where will it ever stop going up?????? I just CAN'T be the only one in Texas that has these concerns, either.
My home is modest, wood frame, 2 bedroom, wood frame pier and beam construction. It went up 50 percent, but we have enough with the homestead exemption and my wife's disability exemption that it is under 400 bucks. I have talked to folks with big homes in urban areas like Harris County that say they pay 400-800 a month in TAXES on their HOMES!!!! At least I don't have THAT problem. Of course, I intentionally didn't get extravagant when I bought this house. It's got a nice location overlooking the bay on a high bluff and I've worried about the location screwing me on the taxes in the future, but there aren't that many homes on this street, sorta the main drag into town, commercial zoned. I'd hate to have the tax bill of the folks across the street, though, that have bay front and a HUGE home. OUCH. But, that guy is rich, so he can afford it, LOL. He probably looks over here and makes comments about the redneck neighbors, LOL. They have an electric gate and they don't exactly do the community thing.
But, if the taxes keep going up as they have been in Texas, it's going to have to start hurting even those with 6 figure incomes like the guy across the street since they tend to have the big, fancy homes to pay the taxes on. If I'm paying over a grand a year for 10 acres of undeveloped land and my house, what could THAT guy be paying!? Sheesh! He might have money, but he's got to be POed at the way the taxes are eating him, too. Something's going to break somewhere. I just don't think it can keep going up by 50 to 120 percent per year forever. At some point, people are going to take up arms and kill the tyrants if they still refuse to listen, armed revolt! J/K, but you get my point.
Hmm, well, maybe there's hope after all. The back side of that is BIG numbers for a gallon of gasoline. God, ya can't win for losing! I can always get down to my place, though, on my little 200cc motorcycle that gets 60-80 to the gallon, little 2 wheeled jeep. I'll probably have to scrap the van, though, LOL!
Fortunately, my wife starts getting her state retirement checks next year, will significantly help out. One check will take care of the place. She gripes that "it's YOUR land, I don't hunt on it!" to which I tell here when it's sold, it'll be half HER money, right? LOL I paid for it, sure, but I also paid for the house and have paid all the utilities and bills for the last 30 years. I have that trump card to hold over her, LOL, but we've already decided that extra money goes into a savings since neither of us need it for bills. So, it'll be available for the taxes and I already have this years about saved up. What really peeves me about it is that I'd figured on buying another firearm at the end of the year, but now, I have to pay taxes with it, LOL!!!!!
Oh, well, I guess I'll hang on to it for a while. I'm over the initial shock. Now, if it keeps going up at the rate it has for the last five years, from 200 a year to 800, all bets are off. If it breaks out over a grand and don't liook like it's going to stop, I might just sell the place and weep for my lack of hunting every season. That's kinda what scares me, when or where will it ever stop going up?????? I just CAN'T be the only one in Texas that has these concerns, either.
My home is modest, wood frame, 2 bedroom, wood frame pier and beam construction. It went up 50 percent, but we have enough with the homestead exemption and my wife's disability exemption that it is under 400 bucks. I have talked to folks with big homes in urban areas like Harris County that say they pay 400-800 a month in TAXES on their HOMES!!!!
At least I don't have THAT problem. Of course, I intentionally didn't get extravagant when I bought this house. It's got a nice location overlooking the bay on a high bluff and I've worried about the location screwing me on the taxes in the future, but there aren't that many homes on this street, sorta the main drag into town, commercial zoned. I'd hate to have the tax bill of the folks across the street, though, that have bay front and a HUGE home. OUCH. But, that guy is rich, so he can afford it, LOL. He probably looks over here and makes comments about the redneck neighbors, LOL. They have an electric gate and they don't exactly do the community thing.But, if the taxes keep going up as they have been in Texas, it's going to have to start hurting even those with 6 figure incomes like the guy across the street since they tend to have the big, fancy homes to pay the taxes on. If I'm paying over a grand a year for 10 acres of undeveloped land and my house, what could THAT guy be paying!? Sheesh! He might have money, but he's got to be POed at the way the taxes are eating him, too. Something's going to break somewhere. I just don't think it can keep going up by 50 to 120 percent per year forever. At some point, people are going to take up arms and kill the tyrants if they still refuse to listen, armed revolt! J/K, but you get my point.
Hmm, well, maybe there's hope after all. The back side of that is BIG numbers for a gallon of gasoline. God, ya can't win for losing! I can always get down to my place, though, on my little 200cc motorcycle that gets 60-80 to the gallon, little 2 wheeled jeep. I'll probably have to scrap the van, though, LOL!
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look into leaving it to Ducks unlimited in a trust i think you get a good sized tax break and it can never be developed
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