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The Remington vs Colt Article is done...just need to transmit it to the big Harris computer in NYC!
Here are the poll results. In the poll "Yes" means you own both a Remington NMA and a Colt 1860..."No" means you only own the one you prefer.
Overall Colt came out on top. But if you only own one of the guns, it is almost always a Remington.
If you own both guns Colts are much preferred. In fact, in the comments area, lots of people who said they thought the Remington was a better gun for technical reasons...Solid frame, sights, etc, said they preferred actually shooting their Colts.
All in all pretty interesting. Thanks for the help.

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You have to ask the question, "What are you doing with your black powder revolver?" If all you do is make lots of smoke and blast away at human sized targets or gallon sized jugs at 10 feet then yes I prefer the Colt.

But, if your goal is precision shooting over a practical distance than the Remington offers far more options. Granted you can tinker with the Colt, like notch the rear hammer sight to reduce the elevation or replace the front sight entirely for a taller one, but on the Remington you can buy a match grade barrel with adjustable sights (Uberti now offers all their Remington's with an adjustable dove-tailed front sight) and replace your original barrel whereas the Colt you have no similar option.

Most people buy these things to shoot about once a year making a lot of smoke clean them and put them away not worrying in the least whether or not they hit anything. But for some, like me, these revolvers can do a lot of things that their modern equivalents can do. It just takes more work.
 
Good summary. I get the Rem might be "better " but prefer the Colt thing. Nothing beats the mind boggling joy of a Walker though. [emoji1]
 
i did not vote, did not know about it, but i will say the nma is my favorite, and not just because its superior. They are better looking, better pointing, more comfortable to hold, and who doesent love that fin!?
 
Remingtons are more accurate, and Colts will shoot longer despite fouling, in my experience. Better? That's just personal preference. I prefer Remmies.
 
Crawdad1 said:
You have to ask the question, "What are you doing with your black powder revolver?" If all you do is make lots of smoke and blast away at human sized targets or gallon sized jugs at 10 feet then yes I prefer the Colt.

But, if your goal is precision shooting over a practical distance than the Remington offers far more options. Granted you can tinker with the Colt, like notch the rear hammer sight to reduce the elevation or replace the front sight entirely for a taller one, but on the Remington you can buy a match grade barrel with adjustable sights (Uberti now offers all their Remington's with an adjustable dove-tailed front sight) and replace your original barrel whereas the Colt you have no similar option.

Most people buy these things to shoot about once a year making a lot of smoke clean them and put them away not worrying in the least whether or not they hit anything. But for some, like me, these revolvers can do a lot of things that their modern equivalents can do. It just takes more work.
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This is my first post, and I would welcome any advice, on some of the most important things to look for in buying my first Black Powder Revolver?? I am fairly knowledgeable about Black Powder rifles and really enjoy the 2 smoke poles, I have got. I have a Thompson Center Renegade in 54cal. , I bought new in 1987, for $187 from MIDSOUTH Shooters Supply and it is still my favorite despite having owned 6 different in line Knight and TC's over the years with my current in line being a TC. IMPACT which is probably the cheapest TC. , on the market when I purchased it 5 years ago, but it is one of the most accurate and easy to clean Muzzle loaders thus far with the exception of a Savage Model 11 MZ. Inline that was made to handle modern smokeless powder, Man it was a shooter and a true 250yard rifle stoked with IMR 4227 and a magnum sabot using a .452 , 250 gr Hornady XTPHP.. I felt like I was just using a slow reloading modern big bore rifle and foolishly traded it off. I am a avid shooter and reload fanatic of my 3 centerfire hunting rifles along with my Ruger NM. BLACKHAWK HUNTING SINGLE ACTION revolver In. 41Rem. Mag. That I've taken several whitetails with over the past 20 years, but I think I have a addiction to the Model 1911s , especially in my beloved 45ACP cal., that serves as my CCW. of choice along with a little Taurus 709 Slim in 9mm luger that I have grown fond of whenever, I can't conceal the Government mod 1911. . For home defense I'll take my Winchester SXP, with the 18" cylinder bore 12 gauge barrel instead of the 28" vr. Field barrel that, I hunt small game with and I also reload my own buckshot and bird shot almost exclusively. Sorry about the life history but I wanted to introduce myself to the forum since this is my first time post. .. I sincerely apologize for the length of it, but it is who I am along with being disabled since I was 31 due to a MVA in 1991 that left me with a mangled left leg that limits my mobility greatly. . Now, after all that life history, and rambling [emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15], I have wanted to get into shooting black powder revolvers for years but I am on a fixed income and money is tight to say the least, and I don't have enough knowledge of this particular pistol to make sure I will not buy something that I am not going to regret, I am hoping that some of you who have experience in this area could advise me on the ins and outs of buying my first one, but I do know that I want 44cal or larger, I am thinking that it is probably going to need a steel frame rather than a brass since I would like to carry it during Muzzle loading season here in Western Ky. , where I reside? ?? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance [emoji3] [emoji3] [emoji106] [emoji106]! !
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rgr41mag - My suggestion is a steel frame Remington New Model Army (NMA/1858.) It is .44 caliber and there are many threads here on THR discussing various loads for it. I believe that to get a larger caliber you would be limited to a single shot pistol.

You can often find Remys on sale at Cabela's online although they currently only have the brass frames reduced. Dixie Gun Works currently has several models slightly reduced.

You can also often get one for a good price on the auction sites but make sure it is Uberti, Pietta or Armi San Marco and notice the height of the front sight. The older models of all of these manufacturers were "short sighted." If you compare the online pictures, you can see that the more recent versions have a front sight that is almost TWICE as tall as the early ones.

If you wish to carry it, be sure to get a holster long enough that the tall sight does not hang up on the bottom.

Extra cylinders for the Piettas are readily available at Cabela's and on Ebay but the other two makers cylinders are a bit more scarce (and expensive) and ASM is now out of business so all parts are getting scarce.

The Colt 1860 and Dragoon steel frames (also .44) by the same makers are also fun but are more expensive used and they still seem to be made a bit "short sighted." The wedge method of securing the barrel makes them harder to take apart for cleaning and switching cylinders. You will find many used ones with the area around the wedge beat up from trying to get the wedge loose.

What ever you get, you will be in for a lot of enjoyment!!!
 
Wow...interesting results. I did not comment on the original thread as I only own a Remington, pretty much in line with what you stated in your original posting. My criteria were solid frame, 44 caliber, notch to rest the hammer so I can load all six, and ease of changing the cylinder out.

I have not shot a Colt...what is it that appeals so well to feel? And yes, I would like to read your article. Please post its location when it comes out.
 
Well,
The feeling that the Colt feels like a natural extension of your arm makes it very comfortable to shoot. The geometry of the action parts allow an unbelievable lightness and smoothness to be attained that the Remington won't ever have ( assuming both are tuned the same).
The wedge "system " is a good system if done correctly and allows for easier cleaning (it is NOT an adjuster for the barrel to cylinder clearance). Remember, this system was the first successful revolver setup. The full frame (developed many years later ) allows for much easier production (screwing a barrel into a frame is simple) but has it's own problems (cleaning, barrel set back for a gap that's too big, small cylinder pin allows fouling to bind cyl. ). Not to mention, it is not necessarily stronger than the arbor.
It's really an apples and oranges thing but Colt was first and the rest came after. The first anything is what is looked on as to be improved, and such "improvements " may or may not be just that.
I like both for what they represent and we sit here still talking about them 150+ years later . . .that's statement enough !

Mike
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Wow, I am really impressed by the amount of time and interest all of you, shown me and I have learned more relevant information about the subject at hand and I am also going to be able to make a informed decision now, that this group of great fellow firearms enthusiasts has been kind enough to share your thoughts and wealth of knowledge on black powder revolvers, hopefully I can return the favor sometime on the topics that I have a decent amount of working knowledge of other facets of the shooting sports. Many thanks, and when I get my hands on my first one, I will be sure to share it with you true believers, in keeping the most important part of the guns that helped build this Nation into a Great one, GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND THE IDEALS PASSED DOWN, AND IT IS INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOU THAT , GIVE ME HOPE IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH, MY NEW FRIENDS!!!!
 
Yes, we still are talking about them. And it is amazing that Pietta & Uberti probably manufacture more of them in one year that were made in ten back then. Some, like one of my 1858s can shoot multiple cylinders with perfect timing and some others need what the Goon does best.:)
 
rgr41mag, you're going to get hooked dude!!!! Whether you buy a sleek Remington or a brute of a Dragoon, shooting is a whole new ball game with one of these.


Good luck. :)
 
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