c&r bound book?
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Zundfolge
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I made one in Adobe InDesign ... I've got a PDF of the darn thing somewhere, I should just post it.
If I can find it I'll post it here.
Here's one (not mine ... and its a scan so its large and ugly) http://www.cruffler.com/boundbook2.pdf
If I can find it I'll post it here.
Here's one (not mine ... and its a scan so its large and ugly) http://www.cruffler.com/boundbook2.pdf
PAshooter
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RK Enterprises. Lousy website... great people to deal with.
http://www.rkffl.com/
Call 'em at 805-687-1416
http://www.rkffl.com/
Call 'em at 805-687-1416
Rufus Pisanus
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I also got mine from Brownells and it was cheap (until I added extra stuff to the shopping cart...)
Zundfolge
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Found it. I just printed a bunch of them up and put them in a three ring binder.
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MilsurpShooter
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Be careful with that one. I had printed these pages out and was using them as an inventory list in case anything ever got stolen way before I found out and applied for the C&R. I just figured I'd use that when I got my C&R but when the inspector came over to go over everything with me, she informed me that the binder wouldn't be good enough, had to be a bound book so that missing pages would be instantly recognized.
But again this is New York i'm going with so what's not ok with us would probably be fine with the rest of the US except California.
But again this is New York i'm going with so what's not ok with us would probably be fine with the rest of the US except California.
PAshooter
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It's called a "bound book" is for that very reason. It's not just in New York - the book is supposed to be "bound" so it's obvious if any pages are missing. A loose leaf binder does not fulfill the BATFE requirement.
Rufus Pisanus
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I have heard both sides of the coin and I was initially doing just that: printing the pdf, NUMBERING the pages progressively, and using a binder. After a while I decided to play it safe and bought the Brownels bound book. It seems to me that taking a risk for a few $ is not worth it.
btw Jay_Anderson mentions an inspector visit. How often/common is it to be visited by an inspector? I have had my C&R for one year only so I have no data. Should I expect a visit soon?
btw Jay_Anderson mentions an inspector visit. How often/common is it to be visited by an inspector? I have had my C&R for one year only so I have no data. Should I expect a visit soon?
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Zundfolge
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Interesting.
So I guess the best thing to do would be to re-set this thing two up on 11x17, print a stack of them together and saddle stitch them.
I'll have to do that tonight.
WayneConrad
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I researched this back when I got my C&R. I recall a BATFE document or letter that explains that "bound" doesn't mean "bound." Loose leaf is fine. Number the pages as you add them, keep them in sequence, and don't do anything that might suggest you've ever altered or replaced a page.
Zundfolge
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of course at this point, all my acquisitions and dispositions fit on one sheet ... so I don't have a bound "book" I just have a bound "sheet" 
I don't see me filling that sheet up any time soon either. I only have three acquisitions and one disposition
I don't see me filling that sheet up any time soon either. I only have three acquisitions and one disposition
You could always keep two records (and maybe you should) - one online, backed up somewhere, where you can record the information and edit it, and another bound (literally) and in ink where you just copy what you did in the electronic format.
By the way, generally speaking, remember that if you EVER need to make changes to a bound record that is required by the government and subject to inspection by a government agent or court, the proper procedure is to single-line out the error, make the correction, and then initial and date the whole affair. Depending on how obvious the error is, you may also do well to write a note explaining the change, lest you forget the details five yeas later when your books are inspected.
By the way, generally speaking, remember that if you EVER need to make changes to a bound record that is required by the government and subject to inspection by a government agent or court, the proper procedure is to single-line out the error, make the correction, and then initial and date the whole affair. Depending on how obvious the error is, you may also do well to write a note explaining the change, lest you forget the details five yeas later when your books are inspected.
MilsurpShooter
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I wouldn't worry. In New York it seems to be common practice to have an interview with an inspector after the paperwork is submitted and before you get your license. As far as I know, New Yorkers are the only one who've reported this.
WayneConrad
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PAshooter
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I stand corrected.
Sorry for the erroneous post.
Sorry for the erroneous post.
WayneConrad
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No problem. It sure ain't obvious. Only the government would declare that "bound" does not mean "bound."
Steve in PA
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I use the loose leaf pages, and have been for several years. Perfectly legal.
Zundfolge
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Well I feel a lot better now ... I was afraid after publicly posting my "bound" book PDF that I'd end up with a kitten stomped or something. 
schwantz
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I use a standard ledger book from the local office supply store.
Novus Collectus
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exar:
YOu are like the third person that I have heard alluded to a bound book the ATF now supposedly sends with the welcome package. When did you get yours? Sometime this year?
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