C&r ffl

[Kragax]

If I have committed a sin by asking this please delete. I am at work and don't have internet at home right now so I don't have the time to do much research. How old does a firearm have to be to be covered under a C&R? Do you have to register every single firearm you own, antique or not? Is it hard/expensive to get?

Thanks for your time

 

[TimRB]

In general, a firearm must be at least 50 years old to be classified as a C&R. You have to keep records of firearm purchases and sales, but when your license expires you don't have to turn your records over to BATF or even keep them. A C&R license is neither hard nor expensive to obtain.

Edit: Your records only have to cover firearms you buy and sell using your license.

Tim

 

[expvideo]

If I have committed a sin by asking this please delete. I am at work and don't have internet at home right now so I don't have the time to do much research.

I understand your situation so I will try to answer to the best of my knowledge, which I admit is limited.

How old does a firearm have to be to be covered under a C&R?

It has to be 50 years old and on the ATF list of C&R weapons. The list is on their website. If you have a C&R license, you can request to have a specific model added to the list. Some things can be added to the list due to their collectable value and in that case I think they can be less than 50 years old, but the ATF has to be convinced that it is some how a collectable firearm.

Do you have to register every single firearm you own, antique or not?

No. You have to keep track of the C&R firearms that you purchase while you have the C&R license. What you already own and what you purchase at a gun store without using your C&R license are not required to be recorded. I think. I could be wrong, but this is my understanding.

Is it hard/expensive to get?

No. Go to the ATF website and request to have an application packet sent to you. Then send in your application with a $30 check or money order and when the ATF gets around to it, they will send you your C&R license. Again, I think. This is my understanding from what research I have done. I'm pretty sure that what I have said in this post is 100% accurate, but I don't want you to think that I am an expert on the subject and trust my interpretation entirely. Perhaps someone who actually has a C&R can confirm this.

 

[subknave]

Actually it is 50 years old OR on the C&R list. There are several classifications including C&R but still NFA, prior NFA but now C&R still under GCA, and others. If you go to the ATF website it will explain a lot more and when you get your license you will get a packet of all the curent regs. In general you have to log in a log book all the arms bought or sold under your license. Anytime you sell an item it has to go in the book along with the persons FFL# or Drivers license # address etc. The best part though is you can get discounts from Midway, Brownells and other places by sending in a copy of your license. VERY IMPORTANT: DO NOT SIGN THE ORIGINAL. Make copies and as you send them out sign them. Most people prefer a colored ink signature. Keep the original in a safe place and make copies as needed. There are several forums online dealing with C&R licenses and firearms. Do a search and check them out. If you buy a non C&R firearm you will still have to go through the same paperwork etc. as if you had no license.

Also realize this is a Federal License, you still have to abide by all the state laws. In California, for example, a C&R license is essentially worthless for buying or selling.

 

[deadin]

It has to be 50 years old and on the ATF list of C&R weapons.

This isn't quite right. It has to be 50 years old OR on the list. There are some more modern guns on the list because they are considered to be Curios. All guns, in their original configuration, that are over 50 years old are C&R. I've always understood this to mean that things like a restocked, rebarreled gunsmithed '03 Springfield action doesn't qualify as a C&R. Just how far from "original configuration" a gun can be before being disqualified is one of those "gray areas".

Also, the question of what needs to go in your "book" is another gray area.
When I got my C&R I called the BATF with this very question. I was told that any C&R qualified gun that I obtained AFTER I got my license needed to go in the book. C&R's that I already owned didn't need to go in, but it might be a good idea to enter them unless I had solid proof of when and where I obtained them.
I enter all C&R acquisitions, (even those from local private citizens) just to show when and where they came from. If someone refuses to provide their ID when I'm buying, I treat them the same as when I selling something in my book and they balk at providing ID. i.e. No Deal.

 

[Geneseo1911]

I requested an application packet about 2 months ago; still haven't seen it. I don't think I'm gonna get it before Jan. 20. Hopefully the rules don't change.

I think the two biggest hurdles are getting your CLEO to sign off (or no big deal depending on where you live) and waiting. and waiting. and waiting.

Almost forgot; the best info I've found is here: http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp Read it on your lunch break. You can request the packet from ATF online.

 

[Kragax]

Do Blackpowder arms fall under this license? I was told that a C&R could buy direct regardless of the age of the firearm. Doesn't sound right but I thought I ask.

 

[expvideo]

Do Blackpowder arms fall under this license? I was told that a C&R could buy direct regardless of the age of the firearm. Doesn't sound right but I thought I ask.

Blackpowder guns are not considered firearms in the sense that everything else is. You can buy them without a background check if you are 18+. You can have them mailed directly to your house.

 

[Black Dime]

Doesn't the C&R manual tell you the license is for buying and not selling? Seems I read that somewhere. Got the feeling they would require you to get an FFL if you sold.

 

[wccountryboy]

"I think the two biggest hurdles are getting your CLEO to sign off (or no big deal depending on where you live)....."

There is NO requirement for the CLEO to sign ANYTHING. You are required to send a copy of the application to your CLEO to notify him that you are applying. I suppose this gives him the opprotunity to notify ATFE of any derogitory information he may have on you. When I applied for my C&R, I sent a copy of the paperwork to the county sheriff, along with a short letter stating that per federal law, here's a copy of my aplication, no action is required on your part, and if you have any questions, feel free to call me. I did send everything with a return recipt required, just in case anyone questioned receiving the documents

 

[TimRB]

"Doesn't the C&R manual tell you the license is for buying and not selling? Seems I read that somewhere."

You may not conduct a *business* using your C&R, but there is, in general, nothing prohibiting you from selling your C&R firearms. You don't need a license to sell a gun unless you are doing it as a business.

Tim

 

[expvideo]

Doesn't the C&R manual tell you the license is for buying and not selling? Seems I read that somewhere. Got the feeling they would require you to get an FFL if you sold.

I am fairly certain that a C&R only permits you to buy. Selling would require an FFL. Of course there are private sales, but I wouldn't make a habit of buying a lot of C&R weapons and selling them.

 

[jwr747]

C&R is an FFL.you can sell your C&R weapons to enhance your collection,make room for something else,tired of looking at them,ect.you can not use a C&R FFL to "be in the business",which means if ATF thinks you are buying and selling on a regular basis,you may get a visit from your local ATF rookie.
any C&R qualified weapon you buy,from where ever,must be logged in.no such thing as "didn't use my C&R" to buy it. C&R weapons you owned prior to your C&R need not be logged in.BUT,any C&R you sell,give away,trade ect. MUST be logged out. jwr

 

[nc8mm]

Log requirements if you sporterize a C&R

I just sent off for my C&R. The wait begins...

I have a question about log requirements if you sporterize one of you acquisitions. Let's say I buy a C&R milsurp, then find another one in better original condition. If I sporterize the first one do I have to log the fact that it is no longer in original condition? Once sporterized it is no longer considered C&R. I am interested in collecting but would probably sporterize a few if I found replacements in better condition.