C93 Range Report, we got problems

[Gordon]

Had an HK 91 since 1979 and a HK93 since 83. They have digested a LIFE TIME OF LOADS AND NEITHER EVER FAILED! They are stashed in Oregon since 2000 just incase I get driven out of Calif.
Looks to me like the flutes in the chamber are out of spec to begin with, much deeper than on my "real" HK 93. They don't use a "real" HK barrel do they?

 

[nwilliams]

Simple solution.

Send it back for repairs.

I had a C93 and put several thousand rounds through it before deciding to sell it. The only issues I had with mine was that it refused to cycle Wolf Military Classic, every other ammo I tried worked fine.

 

[AZAviator]

No they are not real H&K barrels, made in the USA somewhere (probably CAI contract work). As for the C93, Im just going to get a refund. I need the money right now anyway and I dont feel like fing around with this gun anylonger. In the future I may decide to buy another one but it wont be from AIM.

 

[highorder]

So you'll buy another crapshoot rifle from a known poor quality manufacturer, but you won't buy from a very reputable and highly regarded distributor?

 

[Mp7]

i wouldnt buy 1911s from HK ...
... and i wouldnt buy HK from a generic builder.

scary.

 

[navyretired 1]

That isn't a Cetme, Its a Hk93 or the I forget 5.56 military model of HK93. The Cetme was/is .762X51 only. It also has Naval style lower/trigger group.
This looks like a gun firing out of battery or failed roller locks.

 

[AZAviator]

So you'll buy another crapshoot rifle from a known poor quality manufacturer, but you won't buy from a very reputable and highly regarded distributor?

How could you construe something so badly? I am refering to AIM's policy when it comes to pre-firing weapons before shipping, in other words they dont. Ive bought several firearms from AIM and love them, but this time they sold me a bum rifle. Try watching my video review next time and you'd understand.

 

[highorder]

Just watched your video.

I am refering to AIM's policy when it comes to pre-firing weapons before shipping, in other words they dont.

With all due respect, that's ridiculous.

Which of AIM's competitors test fire every firearm, surplus or otherwise that comes through their doors? None? Manufacturers are responsible for things like that, and you opted to buy from a manufacturer with known quality problems.

AIM Surplus offered a full refund if I send it back to them.

That should satisfy you.

I do feel for you getting bad product, but place blame where it belongs, not the last hand it touched.

 

[AZAviator]

Bah, thats like saying its not the parents fault the kid is an F up. There is a reason why technology based industries use a system of checks and balances, such as Microsoft, Boeing, right down to the pilot before takeoff. Im not saying everyone other than AIM does this, nor should it be that way. But when your selling a weapon from a manufacturer (CAI) that has had documented issues in the past with quality control you might want to go the extra step.

Besides the point, I am still very pleased with AIM Surplus. They have offered a full refund and I cannot ask for anything more - AIM is not a bad company, they just wont be my CAI dealer in the future.

 

[nalioth]

Can you measure the bolt gap? Do you have headspace gages? What size rollers are in the bolt head?

That makes no difference in a Century built gun. They grind the parts to artificially provide an adequate bolt gap, when in fact, the ground parts make for a defective rifle.

To the OP: Send it back for a replacement, and hope you get one that is nearer to what it's supposed to be. Better yet, get a refund.

Edited to add: You do not "headspace" a roller locked rifle with traditional headspace gauges. They do not headspace in the traditional sense.

 

[highorder]

I mean you no disrespect, honestly! I just don't understand your thought process.

Im not saying everyone other than AIM does this, nor should it be that way. But when your selling a weapon from a manufacturer (CAI) that has had documented issues in the past with quality control you might want to go the extra step.

No distributor spends the time and money to test fire weapons, and you ARE suggesting it should be that way.

What makes good business sense and what you think they "might want to do" are different. I'm glad your not bashing AIM, but you simply cannot hold them responsible for the quality of a product they DID NOT manufacture.

AIM is not a bad company, they just wont be my CAI dealer in the future."

That is illogical.
What you should tell yourself is, "I probably should be cautious about buying a CAI product in the future.

All that aside, I was really hoping to see a positive review of these! I was considering buying one, even with the CAI history. It only confirmed my fears to see you had problems with yours. Assuming you take the refund, do you have your eye on anything similar?

 

[nalioth]

All that aside, I was really hoping to see a positive review of these! I was considering buying one, even with the CAI history. It only confirmed my fears to see you had problems with yours. Assuming you take the refund, do you have your eye on anything similar?

This is not the only issue reported on these C93s. I've seen others on other forums, as well.

The sad part is: After Century gets done with the parts, you can't even recycle them and rebuild the rifle properly (as they've ground critical areas on the existing parts).

 

[AZAviator]

Valid argument highorder, but there is a dealer who test fires all the CAI weapons that come through their door (the link is posted somewhere in this thread, earlier on). Furthermore they match the AIM Surplus price. Thats end of story as far as Im concerned.

I am not going to buy anyother rifle right away, I think I may wait awhile and save for something else.

 

[YaNi]

There is something very wrong with that gun.

This is what brass my out of a fluted HK 91 chamber looks like.


Note the case is smooth; the lines are from the powder/carbon residue. About 25% of the time there will be a small tear at the end of the case. It has a very violent/positive extraction and the cases usually fly a good 20' (far enough that you can fire a round and turn around and see the case landing).

 

[highorder]

For sake of anyone who reads that thread later for information:

EDITED:
Most dealers do not test fire weapons prior to sale, expect the occasional issue that reputable sellers will correct or refund.

but there is a dealer who test fires all the CAI weapons that come through their door (the link is posted somewhere in this thread, earlier on).

EDIT: Henderson Defense DOES claim to test fire every C93 they ship.
It's the only weapon they sell that comes with this claim, perhaps due to the quality of these builds.

A browse around the web shows quite a few people that got good C93's from various dealers... I still kinda want one, but I'll repress the desire and buy ammo instead.

 

[RobMoore]

^ From their website

We will not accept returns because of bolt gap concerns.

 

[briansmithwins]

We will not accept returns because of bolt gap concerns.

Who won't accept returns?

BSW

 

[RobMoore]

Try the post right above mine that I was pointing to.