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Anyone here care to share their load/chrony data for a 240 RNFP through the Bulldog? I'm looking to craft a load that will get me around 750fps. I note that most folks here shoot lighter weight bullets, but surely there are some here who feed their dogs chunkier fare!
 
I don't have anything worked up yet, but loading up some 240 grain Keith-style SWCs is one of my summer projects.
 
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I've been shooting a lot of 240grn SWC (hand cast) with a gas check using 5.0grns. of Bullseye, thru both of my Bulldogs. I'd have to check my most recent readings to tell ya for sure if they were even hitting 750FPS.
 
I did check my readings and the only 240grn SWC I was using 4.5 grns of HP38 and getting an average of 669.6 out of the 3" Classic Bulldog, and 635.6 out of my 2.5" SS Bulldog, I haven't yet checked my 240grn. with the gas check
and using 5.0 grns of Bullseye. Will report on that as soon as I get out to the range again with my chronograph and my .44Spl BD's.
 
At last I have my Classic BD. I hope to have time to do photos and get to my range this weekend. For starts:
empty weight = 19.05 oz
loaded w/ 200 g = 22.75 oz
cylinder gap = .010"
 
^^ That's nice! I may end up flipping the Pitbull in favor of a Bulldog Classic. Like that Simply Rugged holster, too.
 
I bought 2 sets of pachmayr compact grips for the BD and Mag-Pug a couple of weeks ago. I gave the Mag-Pug a workout along with my Ruger BH in .357 (The BH is my testing platform for my .357 reloads -- it is accurate with most anything I feed it and tends to be my favorite gun because it is so easy to shoot. Heresy on the Bull Dog thread!) I was shooting 8.8 grains of Blue Dot under a 158 gr RCBS 38-158-CM. This load does well over 1000 FPS in the BH, but is subsonic. I shot these (about 100) in the Mag Pug and man o man do the Pachmayr grips make a difference in handling snappy rounds. I kept shooting to the right DA and thought that maybe the barrel had a bend in it :neener:. But tried it SA and grouped shots in the center of the target well enough. I don't know what is causing me to shoot right in DA mode, though. So far, my most accurate load out of the Mag-Pug is an RCBS 38-148-WC fueled by 3.5 grains of E-3. I've yet to try the Lyman 358432 and Lyman 358430, however. I'm hoping the heavier bullets (a 160 gr WC and 200 gr RN respectively) will prove to be winners. I like heavy for caliber bullets in .38 and .357.

Sadly, I did not take any ammo to feed the Dawg, but if the Pachmayrs on the Mag Pug are any indication of things, then I can anticipate having an easier time taming the recoil on my BD.
 
Hope I'm not too late to chime in! I've been lurking this forum for a long time but for various reasons haven't posted until now. Thanks Legionnaire for starting this thread and I hope it will keep going.

I picked up a new Bulldog earlier this year. I've always been intrigued by big bore pumpkin tossers, and when Ruger came out with their GP100 in .44 Special earlier this year it really whetted my appetite, but I figured it would be quite a while before I'd be able to indulge. Now that I've got the Bulldog, I find it scratches the itch in a way the Ruger might not. In addition to being several hundred dollars less expensive, it's also a size and weight that I can actually tote around without feeling like I'm chained to a boat anchor. Wieldiness is one of my primary criteria for most guns, and the Bulldog just feels right in the hand and looks pretty darn good too.

The factory grips fit my hand pretty well, but they are large and after seeing what some of the other THR members have I managed to find some NOS grips from a popular online auction site. Here's what mine looks like with them on:

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Welcome to THR, and to the Club! As I mentioned a while ago, busy schedule has kept me from the range for a while, but I've not forgotten.

Interesting take on the Bulldog versus the GP100. I have and like them both, but find that I carry the Bulldog more often at this point. I wouldn't describe the GP as a "boat anchor," but it is definitely heavier.

I like the look of your reloads. What's the powder charge?
 
So anyway, I've only got about 250 rounds through the Bulldog. When I bought it I picked up the only box of .44 Special my LGS had in stock: some Magtech cowboy action loads. Being late winter, I fired a few rounds into a some old pine logs underneath a snowbank that had turned to dense icy slush. I don't remember if I had oiled the barrel before I eagerly fired those first few rounds, so it's possible that it was pretty dry, but in any case my barrel leaded pretty badly. When the snow melted I was able to recover a bunch of bullets, and I thought that the lube groove looked pretty paltry. Just now I pulled one of the bullets from an unfired round and here's what it looks like on the left, next to some of the recovered bullets.

There is very little lube in the pulled bullet; some of it rubbed off on the inside of the case, and it actually looks like there is more lube in the groove of the fired rounds, which makes me wonder if the lube actually did anything at all, let alone whether there is enough of it.

Since then I've loaded up some 200 grain coated bullets from MBC. I've loaded it with Trailboss (6.0 gr.), which is a nice soft shooting round. I've also loaded some W231 from 5.0 to 6.0 grains, and also Unique with 7.0 to 7.6 grains. I've only shot enough to familiarize myself with the revolver and I don't have a chronograph. None of the loads were what I'd call punishing at all, but like loose noose and Thomas Traddles I've had a bit of finger bite. For me it happens on resetting the trigger, where the leading edge of the trigger wants to bite into the side of my finger. It's readily observable when dry firing:

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I haven't shot the Bulldog with the small wood grips yet, but in dry firing it, they seem to position my finger better, with less of the pinch. It's possible that whatever I gain in trigger finger comfort may be offset by banging my middle finger knuckle against the back of the trigger guard; I'll just have to wait to find out. The other possible issue is that because the back of the grip is not smooth the way my SP101 is, for example, maybe it will beat on the web of my thumb. We shall see.

Not sure how to preview my post and then return to edit it, so I'll leave this here.
 
Here is the picture I meant to include in the above post, showing the lube groove on the pulled Magtech ammo as well as some of the recovered bullets from the snowbank.

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Another edit: I meant smooth like the grip frame of a Security-Six, not my SP101. I've got the stock target Pachmayrs on that and don't need that size grip so I'm looking for something that will have a smooth exposed backstrap. A subject for another post.
 
Final part of what was going to be a single post: although I love the Bulldog, all has not bee peaches and cream. In fact I recently got it back from the factory after it locked up: trigger would not retract, cylinder wouldn't turn unless the gun was turned upside down. To Charter's credit, total time from sending it to them to receiving it back was one week. The note said that they replaced the transfer bar.

The other issue has been leading. I've had to really scrub the barrel, and I mean back and forth, back and forth, enough to wear out a bore brush. I thought the bore looked a little bit like there might be some tool chatter in the rifling, so I tried to take a picture of that: IMG_9015 - Copy.JPG

I asked them about it when I sent in the gun for the transfer bar issue, but they didn't address that concern. I wonder if there's anything I can do about it, or if I need to use copper plated or jacketed loads.

I'm also wondering about bullet weights. 200 grain bullets definitely shoot low, and I'm prepared to file the top of my front sight down if that weight is really the sweet spot for these revolvers, but would rather not permanently modify it if I might end up shooting a heavier weight bullet later. Xtreme is the only place I know of that has 200 grain copper plated bullets. RMR has only 240 grainers. Missouri sells both 200 and 240 grain coated bullets (I've been using the 200 gr.) What do most other people use? Besides what this revolver is going to do the most, plinking, part of the appeal of the Bulldog is emergency defense against black bears. I almost hesitate to mention this as I don't want to open up a big debate on what the best bear round is. Suffice it to say this: I'm not going to be strapping on a honking .44 Magnum that I don't even own just to go for a casual walk in the woods, but there have been some bear issues around here and something with a bit more penetration and larger wound channel than the .380 that I usually slip into my pocket might be comforting to have sometimes. Most bears are in the 200 pound range, but they can get up to 500 pounds here.

(Hope I didn't jinx the thread)
 
I posted some of this on another thread. I have an organic produce operation with 7.5' high fencing, but deer are a real problem [every evening there are 12 to 20 in the horse pasture]. Yesterday morning I had to shoot one inside the fence. The CA Classic did the job and I was surprised how effective it was. With 6.6 gr of Unique and 240 gr LSWC the bullet passed thru the deer. I like the stock wood grips on the Classic but I may get some Pachmayr grips. My gun shoots 4" low at 24' with 180 to 200 gr bullets and to the poa with 240. Initially I was going to use 200 gr bullets but I may rethink that, more testing coming. I use to carry a 3" S&W but much prefer the lighter BD for daily carry.
 
Final part of what was going to be a single post: although I love the Bulldog, all has not bee peaches and cream. In fact I recently got it back from the factory after it locked up: trigger would not retract, cylinder wouldn't turn unless the gun was turned upside down. To Charter's credit, total time from sending it to them to receiving it back was one week. The note said that they replaced the transfer bar.

The other issue has been leading. I've had to really scrub the barrel, and I mean back and forth, back and forth, enough to wear out a bore brush. I thought the bore looked a little bit like there might be some tool chatter in the rifling, so I tried to take a picture of that: View attachment 238496

I asked them about it when I sent in the gun for the transfer bar issue, but they didn't address that concern. I wonder if there's anything I can do about it, or if I need to use copper plated or jacketed loads.

I'm also wondering about bullet weights. 200 grain bullets definitely shoot low, and I'm prepared to file the top of my front sight down if that weight is really the sweet spot for these revolvers, but would rather not permanently modify it if I might end up shooting a heavier weight bullet later. Xtreme is the only place I know of that has 200 grain copper plated bullets. RMR has only 240 grainers. Missouri sells both 200 and 240 grain coated bullets (I've been using the 200 gr.) What do most other people use? Besides what this revolver is going to do the most, plinking, part of the appeal of the Bulldog is emergency defense against black bears. I almost hesitate to mention this as I don't want to open up a big debate on what the best bear round is. Suffice it to say this: I'm not going to be strapping on a honking .44 Magnum that I don't even own just to go for a casual walk in the woods, but there have been some bear issues around here and something with a bit more penetration and larger wound channel than the .380 that I usually slip into my pocket might be comforting to have sometimes. Most bears are in the 200 pound range, but they can get up to 500 pounds here.

(Hope I didn't jinx the thread)

You will have much less leading with hard cast bullets. The cowboy stuff is soft.
 
part of the appeal of the Bulldog is emergency defense against black bears.

Buffalo Bore 200 grain hard cast Wad Cutter "Manstoppers" will penetrate a black bear's skull. Also great self defense load. Real big meplate, cookie cutters through. BB created this low pressure fast stepping round especially for the Charter Bulldog. Their other BB 44 Special heavies will stress the little gun and they tell you as much. They are in the Ruger / S&W realm. BB "Manstoppers" are what I carry in my Bulldog. Doesn't lead the barrel, but they are pricy...you get what you pay for. Lighter bullets will tend to print low. I've got a mess of 240 grain hard cast SWC that I plan to load for my Bulldog...just got too much going on now to get to 'em.
 
Spug, you definitely have some tool chattering evidenced on the lands, I'd call CA and see if they can't fix that. I checked mine and both my Classic as well as my 2.5" SS are nice and crisp like they're supposed to be. I'm really sorry that I haven't had a chance to get out with either of my CA's here lately and tested my 240grn GC loads as it's been way too hot for an old man like me to get out there, early in the morning during breakfast it is already 95 and 105 by 0900 hrs. during the afternoon it has gotten as high as 125. We're supposed to be getting the monsoons here shortly, so I'll be able to get back out there again, and will report.
 
Thanks to all for the replies!

Farm23: I'd be interested in hearing more about what weight of bullet you settle on. I really like the Classic with 3" barrel and blued finish and probably would have gotten that if it had been available, but my 2.5" stainless is growing on me. I may have to give those large wood grips a try at some point.

Crowman: Do you think that I should go with the harder 18 Brinell bullets would be better even with coated bullets such as MBC offers? I thought that softer bullets would obturate better given the softer .44 Special loads I am using. Missouri Bullet Co. lists their 18 Br. bullets as "for magnum loads", which these definitely aren't. Their softer bullets are 12 Brinell hardness. I'd like to get some 200 grain wadcutters but haven't seen them in coated and right now I'm anxious to avoid leading as much as possible. I do cast some in other calibers and have thought about getting a mold for the .44, but I want to settle on a bullet weight and profile that I'll be happy with

Loose Noose: also appreciate your advice. I emailed CA with the photo I took but haven't heard back from them yet. If that doesn't pan out, would lapping my barrel myself help? I don't know much about the process and could use some education from anyone who does. I suppose gas checked bullets are another possibility that could reduce the barrel leading. I see that Lee makes a six-cavity mold for the .44 in 240 grain gas check design.
 
Spug, I've Used JB bore polishing media in the past for mostly rifles, but to be honest they weren't nearly as bad as that picture depicts, just a few burrs and rough spots, I believe it should be re-bored as those grooves look really rough and deep. I generally shoot a lot of 200 grain SWC thru mine but, as was previously mentioned when I carry it CCW, I keep it loaded with Hornady Critical Defense 165grn FX bullets. They definitely have the higher velocity and print right where point of aim, point of impact. Further the recovery time is less, due to the lesser recoil so follow up shots are quite easily attainable. Please note, I stated for self defense which is generally 3-7 yards, with a maximum of 10 yards. Just for plinking I cast quite a few different varieties of bullets, and generally test them at anywhere from 10-25 yards. So far the most accurate at 15 yards using the 2.5" and the 3" Classic is with the 240grn, but like I already stated I haven't ran the GC 240 grains thru my Chronograph yet. BTW I generally just use old wheel weights for my lead supply. If I'm going to be shooting magnum loads I'll add a little tin to the mix, however just using wheel weights, which I believe is right around 12BH. I've had the Classic for quite few years, bought it about '73-74. I've used everything from Unique, Bullseye, WW231, PB, Red Dot, Clays, and many more, I've always gone strictly by the book and worked up my loads very carefully. I just recently bought a 1# of Tight Group not that it is going to make much of a difference, but then again you never know.
 
My 250 gr Matts RF HP came in and the company and bullets are great. Out of a sample of 10 the average weight is 252.1 gr which I think is good for cast. I now have Titegroup powder and will try to load some when I get back in town. Any and all suggestion are welcome.
 
farm23, I've used 6.3grns of Unique behind a 250grn Matt's bullet, and saw no signs of pressure, I do believe you can go up to 6.8grns of Unique, and BTW I worked that load up from 5.9grns. My OAL on the cartridges was right at 1.540". I obtained 783fps out of my 3" Bulldog, and 736fps out of my 2.5" Bulldog. The expansion on the recovered projectiles averaged right at .610, after going thru 2 one gallon milk jugs filled with water and draped with a flannel shirt material, and lodging in a 4X4. I do believe I provided a picture on one of my posts here of a recovered bullet. Incidentally I've just purchased some "Tightgroup" so I'm definitely interested in your results.
 
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