CA DOJ visited me tonight

[Zoogster]

The purpose of registration is to exercise control and power over firearms, and enable confiscation when deemed appropriate by government.
Whether enforcing existing or new laws in the future, or new interpretations of existing laws, that is what registration is for.

When they know who has them and where they are they are emboldened to take them, impose new hoops owners must jump through to retain them, and further restrict them.

 

[hovercat]

What is the penalty for filing a 'frivolous' restraining order? I assume that sworn paperwork must be submitted to the court. Would the state file perjury charges if that sworn statement was proven false? Is it that easy to give someone a lifelong record?

 

[gbran]

I am dead set against registration, but like it or not CA has it. One of the agents sent me an email late yesterday saying they would clear up the serial number errors. I was surprised and thankful to get the email.

 

[Oceanbob]

What is the penalty for filing a 'frivolous' restraining order? I assume that sworn paperwork must be submitted to the court. Would the state file perjury charges if that sworn statement was proven false? Is it that easy to give someone a lifelong record?

If that would happen, about half of everyone in a hotly contested divorce would be in jail for lying about something....

The Court system allows both stories to be told; evidence is king in these actions and most Judges have seen it all. Like any legal situation that can prove troublesome (loss of freedom, guns, personal property, rights...etc) the absolute best thing you can do is hire a good attorney. Just my opinion.

Be well
Bob

 

[splithoof]

gbran, why were you so inclined to help them in any way?
Did they "talk their way in", as some have said? Or did they threaten you in some subtle way? What would have happened if you ordered them off your property and to leave?

 

[gbran]

gbran, why were you so inclined to help them in any way?
Did they "talk their way in", as some have said? Or did they threaten you in some subtle way? What would have happened if you ordered them off your property and to leave?

They were persuasive, but no threatening. I had documents to prove my ownership. I just didn't need nor want to have a pi$$ing contest over two relatively cheap handguns. Some day with different circumstances, I probably would buck them, but this wasn't the day or the issue.

 

[Librarian]

No. Actually the people the authorities are taking the guns from aren't obeying the law. They are under the law prohibited from possessing a gun and thus violate the law by possessing a gun.

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The database of which firearms are owned and by who being corrupt is something to cheer. The database of who is prohibited being corrupt is something that must be corrected.

seem to suggest there is a lawsuit out there Waiting To Happen.

Suppose some 'representative' sample of CA gun owners were to request their listings from the Automated Firearms System (AFS). Those users might then document the accuracies and inaccuracies of the reports, and an aggregated estimate of the numbers and kinds of errors in the database might be made. We would need some preliminary CPRA (California's FOIA) inquiries establishing the number of records in the database and other statistical information on the AFS.

Using the accuracy data, one might argue that the risk of error, and the risk of armed confrontation (both to gun owners and to LE agents), might be higher than the value of the program, so the enforcement effort should be paused or simply stopped.

 

[NavyLCDR]

It's too bad that they don't take all that money, time and resources and spend it on catching criminals who are actually committing violent crimes rather than trying to find guns locked up in safes in people's homes.

 

[leadcounsel]

"Domestic Violence" is an end around the 2nd Amendment and gun rights and a strong emotional tool for gun confiscation and ending gun rights.

A misdemeanor non violent DV arrest and prosecution will result in a loss of gun rights. This is absurd.

Every gun owner should wright their representatives to vote away these draconian laws.

 

[BSA1]

They were persuasive, but no threatening. I had documents to prove my ownership. I just didn't need nor want to have a pi$$ing contest over two relatively cheap handguns. Some day with different circumstances, I probably would buck them, but this wasn't the day or the issue.

The Police showed up at your door demanding to confiscate firearms registered at your address without a warrant.

Yet this wasn't the time or place to challenge their authority because you had "your Papers".

 

[bainter1212]

They were persuasive, but no threatening. I had documents to prove my ownership. I just didn't need nor want to have a pi$$ing contest over two relatively cheap handguns. Some day with different circumstances, I probably would buck them, but this wasn't the day or the issue.

The Police showed up at your door demanding to confiscate firearms registered at your address without a warrant.

Yet this wasn't the time or place to challenge their authority because you had "your Papers".

Can't blame him. This was a tactical decision all the way. Sometimes appeasing your oppressors, throwing them a little bone will distract them from the big bone that you don't want them to know about. They will update their records on his residence and go on their way. Sometimes you have to lose a few battles to win the war.

 

[NavyLCDR]

They will update their records on his residence and go on their way.

Well, at least the next time they come back to confiscate them, they will have accurate records.....

I agree that this situation sounds way too close to "Your papers, please!" for my comfort level.

 

[lemaymiami]

Folks generally get the government they want, unfortunately.... Since California seems to lead the nation in this sort of nonsense I tend to watch what occurs. If a clear majority of the residents in that state didn't want this sort of stuff it would end very quickly. I hear that one of the factors in current Colorado legislation is.... the number of former Californians now residing there......

 

[BSA1]

I am curious if the nice folks from the DOJ were persuasive enough to check the serial numbers and your paperwork on your other firearms?

 

[Colonel]

How's that for an effective use of scarce LE resources?

I guess it's a good thing CA is purging its prisons ... otherwise, how could they afford lifesaving activities like this?

 

[MErl]

How's that for an effective use of scarce LE resources?

Careful on this question.

The easy answer is that it gets illegal guns out of the hands of criminals with minimal resources. The registration system is working well and should be expanded nationwide so other states can do the same.