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Ca microstamp bill passes Assembly.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bg, May 30, 2007.

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  1. bg

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    Any Ca folks here who haven't contacted your Senator asking that
    they vote NO on AB 1471 should take just a few minutes and do so.
    This is a terrible bill and is aimed at a back door ban on firearms
    here in Ca. For those in other states, many times what happens in
    Ca flows east. From Calguns.net
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=59385

    Please visit this site to get first hand info on Ca's firearms bills.
    http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml
     
  2. foghornl

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    I'm nowhere near an 'expert' on this micro-stamping stuff, but it sounds like about 5 or 10 minutes with a Dremel Tool and a container of 'jeweler's rouge' would pretty much remove the micro-stamp capability.

    Or did they {The Legis-sneakers} write in some felony provision about removing micro-stamp capability?
     
  3. SkiLune

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    Simply another baby step in the gun grabbers attempts to dismantle 2A, bit by bit. They know that guns have serial numbers stamped all over them, and they are now test fired to provide a ballistics signature.

    This is another attempt to regulate 2A to death. Death by a thousand cuts is a good analogy, I think..
     
  4. PotatoJudge

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    I think the point is to make it too much of a hassle for the firearms companies to bother with that market.

    The idea of microstamping has so many problems it could never become a deterrent to crime, and politcians know it.
     
  5. simpleguy

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    I think if they pass it, they should be the ones to come up with the method to implement it.......make them figure it out.......of course with the catch that it cannot add weight or change the design whatsoever.
     
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    . . . .and in related news the senate passed legislation which would outlaw friction. "In a time of energy shortage we can not continue to allow rapacious auto manufacturers to sell cars that require significant amounts of energy to overcome friction" said an unidentified legislator. A spokesperson for California University Union apologize to media representatives for not having an official comment as anyone with two brain cells to rub together was laughing until they puked.
     
  7. SoCalShooter

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    ***? How does the rest of the country have the same guns without the mods and they are considered safe but here in cali its unsafe? WTH does it pass over a magical line that all of a sudden that makes the gun unsafe? ARGGHHH
     
  8. Librarian

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    C'mon, SoCalShooter. You know that 'safety' is not the point. 'unsafe' is their euphemism for 'we do not like it, and we do not want you to have it, and we have the votes'. Control is what they're after, always and every time.
     
  9. kcmarine

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    Californians, the Midwest is calling...
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    re: librarian...I know I know its just so damn frustrating.

    re: kcmarine... I was thinking AZ any other suggestions?
     
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    Hey, whatever works. I just said the Midwest because Missouri's gun laws are pretty lax.

    Seriously, you couldn't pay me enough to live in CA.
     
  12. glockman19

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    I called Michael Feuer and invited him to the range today. Let's see if he accepts. I don't think he's ever fired a gun or owns one. I explained to his people that microstamping doesn't deter criminals and that a simple nail file will remove any stamp.

    Also microstamping will not mean anthing to anyone with a revolver.
     
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    Adding yet another reason to be sure you pick up your range brass. Can you imagine all the "false positives" you would have for weapons identification if some murderer scooped up some range brass and left it at the scene of his crimes?

    Talk about "guilty until proven innocent." That's not a situation I would want to be involved with, especially in California.

    Me? I'd be sure to scrape off any firing pin, extractor or breech markings from my gun just to protect myself from such a situation.
     
  14. ArmedBear

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    Exactly.

    Honestly, that's my greatest concern with this stupid idea, and if I ever buy a "microstamped" gun, the first thing I'd do is get rid of the stamp. I don't want my "fingerprints" all over a murder scene, because some perp picked up my brass at the range.

    BTW, this is being pushed by an entrepeneur who has developed and patented the process. He wants the CA state legislature to make it mandatory that we purchase his product, even though we don't want it.

    That's not only a violation of RKBA, it's the worst sort of rent-seeking.

    In fact, that's mainly what it IS about. The stamp has already been shown to be very easy to defeat by even a dumb criminal. Some guy just wants to create a forced market for his business.
     
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    Hey, this is a great law if you're too dishonest a politician to admit that all you really want to do is kill off RKBA.
     
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    There was an article written that showed that the microstamping "peened" off with regular use anyway. So it's like most other legislation, rather pointless.
     
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    between earthquakes and ridiculous amounts of gun control I really do not understand why anyone chooses to live there.
     
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    Nanomark is the company that wants to have the legislature make a mandatory market for its deeply-flawed product.

    AFAIK they donate to campaigns.

    If you write a letter, I'd say write that it's a flawed process, and that this law won't solve any crimes. It will just enrich a private business at the expense of California voters.

    This will be a better argument than RKBA, because a lot of California legislators don't see any problem with extreme regulations of everything, not just guns. Unintended consequences don't exist in their world. They pass law after law, and most are ridiculous to harmful.

    Some are anti-gun, but many are not anti-gun extremists. They're just pro-regulation, of everything. "If we can think of a law, then we should make one!" They would respond, "How does a stamped firing pin keep you from having a gun?"

    The rent-seeking argument has more immediate merit. Trust me on that one, as a life-long Californian.
     
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    I call it another stupid idea by **********, but the PRNJ was playing around with smart guns. I don't even know how far that got. :barf:
     
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    How, exactly, would such microstamping work? It would, as near as I can tell, make any gun with such an 'ability' undesirable for technical reasons: increased complexity, decreased reliability and possibly durability, higher cost, and the likely inability to reuse your brass.

    Of course, with nobody buying these CA-compliant guns, and with the inevitable increased cost of production, the likelihood that anyone would buy them is slim to nil, meaning the gun manufacturers wouldn't bother making them. Thus, this will, as far as I can tell, result in a complete, but gradual, handgun ban within California. Over time, there will be less guns available and in possession due to gun owners leaving the state, amongst other reasons (theft, sale, confiscation, etc.)
     
  22. ArmedBear

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    Caimlas-

    They don't CARE if it works. And even if it does, stats say that most crime guns are stolen. That means they can't be traced to anyone anyway. Even if the stamping worked perfectly, contrary to third-party tests, all that a detective would find out when he punched the serial number into a computer would be "Reported stolen by registered owner, 11-20-06".

    The CA legislators like to make new laws (4 per day) and Nanomark donates to campaigns.
     
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    Here is what one Assembly Member who voted for this said.
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=59378

    I'll stop posting links to other sites that are gun related forums, but
    I just wanted you out there in Free America to see what is going on here
    in Ca. Careful, you could be NEXT. The elections in 08 are more important
    than many realize. One of the "targets" is going to be stricter anti-gun
    legislation being signed into law if one of the two most popular
    Dems get in at 1600 Penn Ave. :uhoh:
     
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    They keep coming back with this crap over and over and over again. Pretty soon all of us California gunowners will be criminals, after the fact.
     
  25. ArmedBear

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    That's what I'm talking about. They're downright STUPID, and if there's a law they can pass, they'll pass it.

    That's why the "it's just a way to funnel money into a greedy businessman's pocket" is a better argument against it than all the rational points you can make. Furthermore, it's true.
     
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