Ca residents give me a hand!

[10-Ring]

As 2006 approaches, I'm trying to figure out what semi auto I really need before all the new handgun restrictions hit 1/1/06 Any suggestions?
My short list includes: P228, USPc 45 or another 1911

 

[railroader]

The handgun restictions are only for newly added guns to the list. Ones already on the list will be fine as long as someone continues to pay the yearly california extortion fee that is required. Mark

 

[BamBam-31]

Link?

Oh, and as for the original question: Of the three you listed, I like the 1911, Sig 228, and HK USPc .45 in that order.

 

[Moonclip]

buy any guns that you might think won't be recertified as the manufactures are known to be a bit shaky or flaky on keeping models current on the list(think Colt) they let some of the 38super models slide recently which does not make sense to me.

I'm sure they made enough profit selling these guns In CA as opposed to the fee they paid to keep them on the list. Besides greed and harassment I don't know why a fee has to be paid beyond the original fee paid to the laboratoryto deem the guns "safe".

 

[MachIVshooter]

Better idea;

Move to a state where you are able to indulge your constitutional right to own evil 15 round magazines and any handgun currently manufactured/imported.

I bet nearly half of my collection is not Kommifornia approved.

 

[AAChang]

Honestly I would have to say a Sig 228. I have fired all 3 guns on your list, owned a Kimber 1911 and I currently own a Sig 228. The 228 is still my favorite of them all. The trigger is fantasic, the balance is awesome and the ergonomics are as if they were made for my hand. I would honestly go and fire all 3 of them and decide which one feels like more of an extension of your own body, because while I recommend the Sig, your mileage may vary

 

[Black Majik]

Ugh... all these responses saying to move... if it was only that easy....

For me, I look for what I consider to be most important. And that is the internal extractor.

First comes the magazine disconnect, next the loaded chamber indicator. Most chamber indicator are by external extractors, and I despise external extractors. As for the magazine disconnect, I sure do hope gun makers will be smart enough that the MD could be easily removed, such as the browning hi power.

As many know, I'm a 1911 addict, and I wanted one unmutilated "semi-custom" / "semi-production" 1911, one without the MD, without the LCI, and hopefully without the ext. extractor as a result of the LCI, therefore... I recently purchased my first Les Baer 1911, which... I normally would never spend that much money on a handgun, but... I made an exception because of this reason.

find whats most important to you... then make your decision. Times running out!

 

[Moonclip]

Please no more CA bashing in this thread. It gets old. I love my hobby but it is not feasable for me to pack up and leave right now. Also I like the fact I'm keeping the gun culture alive here to piss off the liberals and politicians here.

My family has lived here for well over a hundred years and I will not be forced out, I will leave when I am good and ready.

For those of you in free states, if they became the same as CA in gun laws, how many of you don't have family and job obligations that would allow you to leave?

 

[Mauserguy]

I too am a fellow Californian. I wonder, would it be legal to by a gun in Las Vegas and import it? I know that you would have to file the registration form, but does Nevada allow out of state handgun sales?
Mauserguy

 

[CAnnoneer]

+1 Moonclip

It gives me extra pleasure to be a gun owner in CA exactly because it is a hassle and because I am looked upon as a public enemy by the antis. Every one of them I shake out of their engineered stereotypes about gun owners is one less anti that will peck reprocessed tableted peanuts off the palms of Lockyer, Feinstein, and co. As one fallacy is overturned in such minds, others are to be questioned and possibly follow.

 

[scott.cr]

Mauserguy,

AFAIK it is a Federal law that prevents you from going over state lines to purchase a firearm.

However, you should know it is very easy to establish a second residence in AZ or NV and then buy whatever you want. I did this about two years ago. I do not know that it is legal to bring your erstwhile Cali-legal toys into California if purchased in NV/AZ though, and you can forget about bringing your 10+ round mags, anything with a threaded barrel, etc etc etc.

 

[Amadeus]

I too am a fellow Californian. I wonder, would it be legal to by a gun in Las Vegas and import it? I know that you would have to file the registration form, but does Nevada allow out of state handgun sales?

If the gun is approved for sale in California you MAY be able to import a firearm purchased from another state. However I think you may also be required to ship it to a California FFL before you can take possession of it in California.

Be advised!! If the gun you wish to purchase from an out of state source is not legal for sale or on the approved list in California then importing it is prohibited.

Please verify the legal requirements with the California DOJ Firearms division. I have chatted with them before. They are friendly and very willing to answer questions. Please do not try to squeak past the law by looking for the questionable loopholes. It makes us all look bad in an already tenuous political environment.

 

[Pietro Beretta]

If you have a Father or Grandfather or Spouce that lives out of state, have him buy the gun. Doing this you dont need to go to an FFL or do a waiting period.

Have your father give you that gun, and submit that intra-family gun transfer paper and $14 reg fees to the CA DOJ.

(If you can't own a gun legally in california, the transfer wont be vaild just to let you know)


Unless the new laws are changing this, you can do that if your dad lives out of state. You can have any gun thats not an assult rifle, and of course you cant have legal possesson of 10 round magazines.

 

[MachIVshooter]

AFAIK it is a Federal law that prevents you from going over state lines to purchase a firearm.

Only handguns on the Federal level. A resident of Wyoming, Utah or other bordering states can purchase a rifle in the state of Colorado, and vice versa. That does not necessarily mean that a gun will be legal in the state of residence, however.

 

[Mauserguy]

"If the gun is approved for sale in California you MAY be able to import a firearm purchased from another state."

My idea of going out of the state would be to get that pistol that is not on the list. It looks like, at this rate, handguns will be just about illegal in California in, oh say, twenty years. I gess it is a good thing, though, it will stop all of the crime.
Mauserguy

 

[Pietro Beretta]

I gess it is a good thing, though, it will stop all of the crime.

Did he Just say that?

 

[Gordon]

Buy something made during the "golden years" of firearm making . Next year 1956 and earlier (50 years old pistols are exempt) are exempt.

 

[Amadeus]

I gess it is a good thing, though, it will stop all of the crime.

Please tell me you were being sarcastic!

 

[BamBam-31]

Oh, come on. His remark is dripping with sarcasm. He's an oppressed Cali resident, remember?

 

[rick_in_lb]

Great California

It is something how a little thing like living in California brings out all the Natives ! I buy approved weapons here because it still shoots the ammo I feed in it . A 45acp still shoots the same here like in other states. To the out of staters... be carfull because Bill Lockyer might be moving to your neighborhood in the future

 

[10-Ring]

WOW! All these replies & I'm still no where closer to an answer than when I posted it originally :banghead:

 

[Kruzr]

10-Ring, for 2006, only the chamber loaded indicator is required. The mag disconnect plus the CLI is required after 2007. The law pertains to new guns applying for testing. Here is the wording of the new laws for 2006 and 07.

The gun will be "unsafe" if
(4) Commencing January 1, 2006, for a center-fire semiautomatic pistol that is not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have either a chamber load indicator, or a magazine disconnect mechanism.
(5) Commencing January 1, 2007, for all center-fire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have both a chamber load indicator and if it has a detachable magazine, a magazine disconnect mechanism.
(6) Commencing January 1, 2006, for all rimfire semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 12131, it does not have a magazine disconnect mechanism, if it has a detachable magazine.

So don't let the coming months make you jump into something. You have time. Many guns already comply with a CLI.

 

[Sprout]

I agree with Moonclip and AAChang: get a gun that won't be around later to get.

That being said, I'd get the P228. It looks like Sig may stop producing it for the civiilian market, except on a speciality run basis, and therefore may stop paying for the gun to stay on the approved list. That and the P228 is too beaucoup.

 

[marklbucla]

The original version of SB489 would have knocked out basically 90% of the handguns out there now on the retail market in about 2 months. When this was talked about the first time I nearly doubled my collection before I saw the changed version in the 2005 laws. Oh well, but the idea's the same though. I should get my taste of whatever I can before I don't have the option to anymore.

 

[Justang]

FWIW, IF the gun is not on the California ban list it is ok to buy it out of state and bring it into the state. For example. I want a Taurus .44mag. The only Taurus .44mag that is on the approved CA gun list is the SS version, but I want the blued version. The blued version is not on the ban list, but also not on the approved sale list. But it is sold in other states, so I could go to Nevada and get this gun and bring it back into the state legally.

It just takes so much money to get a gun certified for Cali that they only cert the models they thing will sell in Cali.

So are there any guns going to be banned this year in California. I'll buy it just to have it! I wish I would have had the money last year for the .50bmg.

oh, and if you do buy it out of state you still have to wait 10 days. All other Cali rules apply.