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boofus
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I'd rather the government just declare California no longer part of the union and send in General Sherman Jr to burn the whole bloody place to the ground and keep the fires going until they decide to ratify the Constitution again.
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natedog
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There's no cap on the tax, and the Attorney General can increase it arbitralily. So...if this passes, he could say the next day that it is a $5 tax per bullet, or $100 tax per bullet.
shermacman
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Come on, Egg! No big deal! Here is how it works: with the electronic safe gun, the radio frequency identification chip embedded in your dominant hand's index finger will boot a software check-sum sub-system that compares the safe gun's user authorized database to the RFID chip's ROM memory. Once the secure socket layer verification is complete (probably a triple fault 128 bit transaction) the gun's computer will instruct the firing mechanism's piezo-electric random number generator to etch, with a laser, an identification number into each casing as it is brought into battery.
What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
fletcher
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^^ We need more engineer politicians 
I understand how you feel Boof.
But there's a lot of good folks in California. It's just the state is run by the population bases in SF and LA, which is where the looney left live. I'm sure you're not crazy about some of the crap coming out of Dallas and Houston and Austin.
The mistake in the past by the pro gun groups, was to throw California to the wolves. My friends in the Midwest and the South just shook their heads and gave up on us. It gave the anti's an open season.
If we lose everything here, we'll all lose. The stand has to be taken here. I'm going to be leaving the state soon, but my checks and letters will still keep going to California.
wolf
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one step at a time...
the LA Times...to the rescue...they will get their way...our new mayor will push his agenda..and the few gun shops still in the LA area will go down..and this person will sleep well at night..
Re "Two-Day Rampage Leaves Trail of Death and Questions," June 1: Would the horrific and bloody rampage by Toby Whelchel have been possible had he not possessed a handgun? Would he have been able to fire at five people, steal two trucks, break into a gated community, beat two children and fatally beat their mother had he not possessed a lethal weapon? I think not.
Clearly it is the National Rifle Assn.'s catastrophic crusade that allows the Whelchels of our society to possess dangerous guns. Our politicians equally share the blame in fearfully yielding to the NRA lobby.
At what price can our society continue to accept tragic incidents such as Whelchel's? It is time for California to lead the nation and outlaw the possession of all handguns by private citizens.
David Rosen
Long Beach
the LA Times...to the rescue...they will get their way...our new mayor will push his agenda..and the few gun shops still in the LA area will go down..and this person will sleep well at night..
Re "Two-Day Rampage Leaves Trail of Death and Questions," June 1: Would the horrific and bloody rampage by Toby Whelchel have been possible had he not possessed a handgun? Would he have been able to fire at five people, steal two trucks, break into a gated community, beat two children and fatally beat their mother had he not possessed a lethal weapon? I think not.
Clearly it is the National Rifle Assn.'s catastrophic crusade that allows the Whelchels of our society to possess dangerous guns. Our politicians equally share the blame in fearfully yielding to the NRA lobby.
At what price can our society continue to accept tragic incidents such as Whelchel's? It is time for California to lead the nation and outlaw the possession of all handguns by private citizens.
David Rosen
Long Beach
George S.
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They can pass their bills, but there has to be a final version that goes to the Governator for his signature. Is there any word about Ahhnold's stance on this joke?
CA is still in a financial mess. The burden of starting up and maintaining this system will have to be borne by the state. The whole program, regardless if there is a pre-numbered bullet or a gun that stamps something on a round is going to cost millions of dollars to get running. Every place in the state that sells ammo (assuming that the internet ammo suppliers turn their backs on CA as they should to fight this BS) will have to submit data to some state office where it will be entered into some sort of system.
My years of experience in state government and the IT world is that when a new system is needed, computer equipment is purchased, a variety of software is loaded, programmers and developers are hired to build the custom application and then other programmers do the maintenance. Data entry staff hae to keep up with the incoming data. All of this will cost money. State offices that already have large computer resources (hardware and software) are usually very relictant to share their computers and staff unless they get a lot of money for doing somebody else's work.
And if a pre-numbered bullet system is used, who gets to inform the state that bullet #105,035,602,596,001 was fired at a target last Tuesday at the local range? And who deletes the info from the data base. Databases are funny things, they need maintenance and you cannot really have an open-ended file in them. It takes lots of work to allow things like serial numbers to expand in terms of how many digits in a serial number and the other data that is related to the bullet number, like seller, buyer, store and city where it was sold.
Even if you remove the argument and implications of "Big Brother", another step in trying to take away the rights of the citizen, much less the issue of RKBA, this thing is going to backfire big time in somebody's face. From the standpoint of time, money and resources, this is just not going to work. To me, the bills were introduced more from an emotional anti-gun point of view on the part of the legislators compared to anything that could remotely help in solving of a crime.
Another sad thing about this whole deal is that ammo makers may not want to stand up to CA and refuse to do something like pre-number a bullet. They want to sell their product and make money. I just don't see Remington, Winchester, CCI and other makers telling CA to stuff their law where the sun doesn't shine. And even if this thing does go into law, the ammo makers will probably continue to sell to LEO organizations. If the current bills do not have anything that exempts police agencies, the final versions probably will have some such thing.
CA is still in a financial mess. The burden of starting up and maintaining this system will have to be borne by the state. The whole program, regardless if there is a pre-numbered bullet or a gun that stamps something on a round is going to cost millions of dollars to get running. Every place in the state that sells ammo (assuming that the internet ammo suppliers turn their backs on CA as they should to fight this BS) will have to submit data to some state office where it will be entered into some sort of system.
My years of experience in state government and the IT world is that when a new system is needed, computer equipment is purchased, a variety of software is loaded, programmers and developers are hired to build the custom application and then other programmers do the maintenance. Data entry staff hae to keep up with the incoming data. All of this will cost money. State offices that already have large computer resources (hardware and software) are usually very relictant to share their computers and staff unless they get a lot of money for doing somebody else's work.
And if a pre-numbered bullet system is used, who gets to inform the state that bullet #105,035,602,596,001 was fired at a target last Tuesday at the local range? And who deletes the info from the data base. Databases are funny things, they need maintenance and you cannot really have an open-ended file in them. It takes lots of work to allow things like serial numbers to expand in terms of how many digits in a serial number and the other data that is related to the bullet number, like seller, buyer, store and city where it was sold.
Even if you remove the argument and implications of "Big Brother", another step in trying to take away the rights of the citizen, much less the issue of RKBA, this thing is going to backfire big time in somebody's face. From the standpoint of time, money and resources, this is just not going to work. To me, the bills were introduced more from an emotional anti-gun point of view on the part of the legislators compared to anything that could remotely help in solving of a crime.
Another sad thing about this whole deal is that ammo makers may not want to stand up to CA and refuse to do something like pre-number a bullet. They want to sell their product and make money. I just don't see Remington, Winchester, CCI and other makers telling CA to stuff their law where the sun doesn't shine. And even if this thing does go into law, the ammo makers will probably continue to sell to LEO organizations. If the current bills do not have anything that exempts police agencies, the final versions probably will have some such thing.
The whole argument that the leftist anti's have really boggles my mind. I almost feel like not trying to argue the point that they are wrong, because I know we will never convince somone whose opinion is already made up.
The thinking is pure insanity. Blame inanimate objects except for the HUMAN commiting the actions.
Seriously, I wish there was a way on a large scale to show these people that their thinking makes no sence whatsoever.
This "for the children" and "A law abiding citizen" crap makes me want to projectile vomit on my monitor and keyboard.
The thinking is pure insanity. Blame inanimate objects except for the HUMAN commiting the actions.
Seriously, I wish there was a way on a large scale to show these people that their thinking makes no sence whatsoever.
This "for the children" and "A law abiding citizen" crap makes me want to projectile vomit on my monitor and keyboard.
dasmi
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Folks, the time to change tactics has arrived. Quit fighting the politicians in California. Lobby gun and ammo manufacturers to boycott california. That is the only way. We must force them to follow Barrett's lead.
So now that they want to register ammo too...every round you ever fire at the range, competition, hunting, whatever, you had better pick up and take the brass with you - so it doesn't get into the wrong hands.
And ONLY your casings - and every one of them! - that should be fun!
What jerk-offs - not to help cops, but to get rid of guns totally.
And ONLY your casings - and every one of them! - that should be fun!
What jerk-offs - not to help cops, but to get rid of guns totally.
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boofus
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The shooter was a convicted felon with a rap sheet from 3+ different states plus he was less than honorably discharged from the military. He was already banned from owning or even touching a firearm by federal law.
Nice to see how well that ban worked.
Brainless idiots like Rosen should be required to spend a year in prison every time they write drivel like that. After all guns and knives and weapons of all types are banned in prison, so it must be a paradise on earth right?
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shermacman
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It is not like the gang bangers are going to the range and put 500 rounds of .22lr to practice their Weaver stance. The gang bangers aren't going to be paying this tax, it won't affect them. They stole the gun and they stole the ammo anyway.
The tax revenue issue is important, the politicians clearly want to milk whatever cow they can find. But I think they are even more dangerous than that. They want money coming in but they want to spend even more. They know this will not work. It will be a bureaucratic nightmare that costs a fortune and the politicians can crow about how hard they worked, how they "fought for public safety" but ultimately, some punk will simply steal a gun and some ammo and shoot a person dead and the database will be of no help.
Then our duly elected officials will throw up their hands and say: "Well, we tried. Now the only thing left to do is completely ban guns."
The tax revenue issue is important, the politicians clearly want to milk whatever cow they can find. But I think they are even more dangerous than that. They want money coming in but they want to spend even more. They know this will not work. It will be a bureaucratic nightmare that costs a fortune and the politicians can crow about how hard they worked, how they "fought for public safety" but ultimately, some punk will simply steal a gun and some ammo and shoot a person dead and the database will be of no help.
Then our duly elected officials will throw up their hands and say: "Well, we tried. Now the only thing left to do is completely ban guns."
Gordon Fink
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dasmi said:
Maybe … if the system completely fails. That Koretz is just like the little boy who can’t stop poking the hornet nest.
~G. Fink
Punkermonkey
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Assuming this passes, which I most seriously hope it does not! It would solve absolutely NOTHING! They only people it would effect are the people who obey it. When will these politicians get it through their ever thickening skulls!?!? :banghead:
So I'm a criminal and want to get around this law. What would I do?
Serialized ammo:
1. Steal the ammo
2. Buy the ammo out of state
3. Scratch the serial number off
4. Use a revolver
5. Use the AK-47's I'm suppose to have
6. Use any other rifle/shotgun I can get my hands on
7. Grab a handful of brass from my local range to spread around the crime scene
And if the handgun stamps the serial number:
1. Scratch of the serial number stamp
2. If the stamp is recessed, fill it with JB Weld
3. Use a revolver
5. Use the AK-47's I'm suppose to have
6. Use any other rifle/shotgun I can get my hands on
7. Steal a gun
8. Keep using the gun I already have because it does not stamp a number
BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR LAW! I'M ALREADY COMMITTING MURDER, DO YOU REALLY THINK I CARE ABOUT YOUR STUPID SERIAL NUMBERS?
So the law abiding have nothing to worry about........
So I'm a criminal and want to get around this law. What would I do?
Serialized ammo:
1. Steal the ammo
2. Buy the ammo out of state
3. Scratch the serial number off
4. Use a revolver
5. Use the AK-47's I'm suppose to have
6. Use any other rifle/shotgun I can get my hands on
7. Grab a handful of brass from my local range to spread around the crime scene
And if the handgun stamps the serial number:
1. Scratch of the serial number stamp
2. If the stamp is recessed, fill it with JB Weld
3. Use a revolver
5. Use the AK-47's I'm suppose to have
6. Use any other rifle/shotgun I can get my hands on
7. Steal a gun
8. Keep using the gun I already have because it does not stamp a number
BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR LAW! I'M ALREADY COMMITTING MURDER, DO YOU REALLY THINK I CARE ABOUT YOUR STUPID SERIAL NUMBERS?
So the law abiding have nothing to worry about........
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walking arsenal
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This is an eazy thing to solve. Send a letter to the law makers. THEN send a letter to everyone you know and ASK THEM to send a letter to ALL ammo manufacturers saying that if they send lazer engraved rounds to california you will stop buying their ammo.
In theory, that SHOULD have some clout.
In theory, that SHOULD have some clout.
heypete
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Ugh. Just ugh.
Ladies and Gentlemen, as a Californian, I must apologize greatly for the idiots that inhabit my state of birth.
Rest assured that I have done all I possibly can to influence my legislators -- written letters, called, written emails, posted messages online, sent messages to my college's rifle club, talked about this issue in public, etc.
However, the bills have still passed out of their respective bodies. One can only hope that the passage was only because they were doing a last-minute rush to get the bills to the other house before the window for new bills was closed. Hopefully they will now seriously consider each bill and review it for their individual merit or lack therof. Since each bill passed only by the barest majority, there is still hope.
One can hope that if the bills reach the Governator, he will veto them. More letters are in order.
If these bills actually are signed into law, I'm afraid I'll have to again offer my apologies for the rest of the state. We're not all GFWs...its just the legislators tend to be. There's still a lot of good gun folks here in the state; it's just that we're under constant attack from all levels of government (the local public range is being constantly threatened with closure, and has been for over a decade) and it's tough to bear another burden. We're doing the best we can...
Ladies and Gentlemen, as a Californian, I must apologize greatly for the idiots that inhabit my state of birth.
Rest assured that I have done all I possibly can to influence my legislators -- written letters, called, written emails, posted messages online, sent messages to my college's rifle club, talked about this issue in public, etc.
However, the bills have still passed out of their respective bodies. One can only hope that the passage was only because they were doing a last-minute rush to get the bills to the other house before the window for new bills was closed. Hopefully they will now seriously consider each bill and review it for their individual merit or lack therof. Since each bill passed only by the barest majority, there is still hope.
One can hope that if the bills reach the Governator, he will veto them. More letters are in order.
If these bills actually are signed into law, I'm afraid I'll have to again offer my apologies for the rest of the state. We're not all GFWs...its just the legislators tend to be. There's still a lot of good gun folks here in the state; it's just that we're under constant attack from all levels of government (the local public range is being constantly threatened with closure, and has been for over a decade) and it's tough to bear another burden. We're doing the best we can...
armoredman
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Ladies and gentlemen of this board living in California, if you can, please emigrate to AZ, we have plenty of room for good gun people.
I agree we should keep tabs on what companies are selling to Cali, and especially, IF A COMPANY SELLS TO CALI LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NOT TO GENERAL PUBLIC AFTER THIS PASSES. These companies who do discriminate like this should be driven out of business, as several smaller ammunition manufacturers are waiting to pick up the slack for us.
BTW, what happens to reloaders with the marked ammo thing? Do you have to buy new unprimed brass with the serial etched already? I have 32 pounds of 9mm brass....would I,( if I was living in Cali) be required to turn in my "evil" brass for "good" brass, at my expense?
boofus, read my siggie line....
I agree we should keep tabs on what companies are selling to Cali, and especially, IF A COMPANY SELLS TO CALI LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NOT TO GENERAL PUBLIC AFTER THIS PASSES. These companies who do discriminate like this should be driven out of business, as several smaller ammunition manufacturers are waiting to pick up the slack for us.
BTW, what happens to reloaders with the marked ammo thing? Do you have to buy new unprimed brass with the serial etched already? I have 32 pounds of 9mm brass....would I,( if I was living in Cali) be required to turn in my "evil" brass for "good" brass, at my expense?
boofus, read my siggie line....
sumpnz
Member
What if, rather than having CA gunnies move out, a lot of us gunnies moved there? Maybe target some specific areas to build clout and oust particularly bad politicians and replace them with gun friendly ones? It would take a lot of effort and coordination, but it might work. Might even be able to get DiFi and Boxer out before they croak if we work hard enough. There's a good aerospace industry there, so I'm sure I could get a good enough job. So long as my wife was able to as well, we could maybe even afford to move there.
jlwatts3
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+1
I too have written, called and emailed assemblymen, and the governator. It is so exhausting to have to constantly battle the idiocy and tyranny. I love this state, not the morons who live and vote here but the actual physical land. That is the only thing that keeps me from just giving up and moving someplace free. But I don't know how much more of this I can take.
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Ok I feel a little better.Time to go write more letters.
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