California Compliant

[gkey15]

This is a flagship thread I wanted to start pertaining to the "modern sporting rifle" or more specifically " the "AR-15" and how to avoid registering it as a so- called "Assault Rifle" yet still comply with or be in compliance with California's assault weapon regulations.
What I am most interested in discussing are the available devices that are approved by the ATF that once installed make an otherwise standard AR-15 California compliant.
A few of these devices are the "Patriot Pin," the "Hellfire Mod Kit, " and the "Safe Mag" system.
I am not interested in acheiving compliance by altering the configuration or components of the AR-15 by going "featureless." Changing the components or "evil features" of the AR-15 is not an option for me. What the State of California's legislation has done in its attempt to rid its citizens of their 2nd Ammendment rights is to single out certain features that modern sporting rifles share and outlaw them. However, the ones who have put these regulations in place are extremely ignorant of how these rifles operate. I wont go into the specifics of how these regulations can be basically ignored but as long as a centerfire semi- automatic rifle has a fixed magazine that can only be released by disassembly of its reciever, it no longer can be classified as an assault rifle. This being the case. None of these so- called evil features..... flash hiders, extended hand grips, collapsing buttstocks or any other part or parts that magically qualify a rifle to be considered illegal cease to be an issue as long as the magazine is fixed in place and only can be accessed by dismantling the reciever.
The devices I previously mentiond are a way to achieve compliance and are all ATF approved. Putting myself at risk of prosecutioln or putting my 2nd Ammendment rights in jeopordy must be avoided at all costs. So installing one of these ATF approved devises keeps me safe from prosecution and also keeps my rifle in its original configuration.

 

[dogtown tom]

......The devices I previously mentiond are a way to achieve compliance and are all ATF approved...……. So installing one of these ATF approved devises keeps me safe from prosecution and also keeps my rifle in its original configuration.

Who told you those devices were "ATF approved"?
ATF doesn't "approve" the devices you mention, anymore than they restrict them...…….because they DON'T restrict them. For example: ATF doesn't prohibit bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes, collapsible stocks. Because ATF doesn't prohibit such items, they don't need to approve them.

California doesn't give a hoot what ATF's opinion is, as California law is more restrictive. If California wants to prohibit purple buttstocks, that's up to them.....but ATF isn't going to care.

 

[SharpDog]

This is a flagship thread I wanted to start pertaining to the "modern sporting rifle" or more specifically " the "AR-15" and how to avoid registering it as a so- called "Assault Rifle" yet still comply with or be in compliance with California's assault weapon regulations.
What I am most interested in discussing are the available devices that are approved by the ATF that once installed make an otherwise standard AR-15 California compliant.
A few of these devices are the "Patriot Pin," the "Hellfire Mod Kit, " and the "Safe Mag" system.
I am not interested in acheiving compliance by altering the configuration or components of the AR-15 by going "featureless." Changing the components or "evil features" of the AR-15 is not an option for me. What the State of California's legislation has done in its attempt to rid its citizens of their 2nd Ammendment rights is to single out certain features that modern sporting rifles share and outlaw them. However, the ones who have put these regulations in place are extremely ignorant of how these rifles operate. I wont go into the specifics of how these regulations can be basically ignored but as long as a centerfire semi- automatic rifle has a fixed magazine that can only be released by disassembly of its reciever, it no longer can be classified as an assault rifle. This being the case. None of these so- called evil features..... flash hiders, extended hand grips, collapsing buttstocks or any other part or parts that magically qualify a rifle to be considered illegal cease to be an issue as long as the magazine is fixed in place and only can be accessed by dismantling the reciever.
The devices I previously mentiond are a way to achieve compliance and are all ATF approved. Putting myself at risk of prosecutioln or putting my 2nd Ammendment rights in jeopordy must be avoided at all costs. So installing one of these ATF approved devises keeps me safe from prosecution and also keeps my rifle in its original configuration.

Just thinking out of the box here but shotgunners have for years used charging devices to charge their fixed magazines during competition. You could have a special magazine installed which could be externally charged in a similar fashion. Such a device would be a speedloader.

 

[troy fairweather]

yup CA does not care what ATF thinks, just do fix mag and get the MEAN loader.

 

[shuvelrider]

Campaign to change the vernacular, stop using the damn term of "assault rifle". Educate the populace of the error of this term, as applied to the type of rifle in question. To be so scared of features like pistol grips, and bayonet lugs is just silly stupid. It truly shows the simplicity that people can be led down a road falseness, orchestrated by those that wish to control our lives. Long term education to reverse the current fear of AR type rifles would seem to be the answer, we all know AR stood for Armalite Rifle.

 

[gkey15]

Unfortunately I doubt California will ever be a free state again. It seems the powers that be are more concerned with catering to a broken and unsafe immigration system and the rights of those ILLEGAL immigrants engaged in ILLEGAL activity. I just watched as Gavin Newsom stated there is no emergency at our Southern border as he pulled the National Guard of its mission to control that same non- emergency. I truely wonder what exactly the Democrats agenda really is here in CA? They are doing their best to ban any and all semi automatic firearms from its law abiding citizens. Denying a persons rigjt to defend oneself. We are no longer allowed to even open carry so in- effect our 2nd Ammendment right to bear arms has been denied. Even more disturbing, the Ninth Circut has upheld these types of unconstitutional regulations. At the same time we are expected to comply with these new laws. The same people who enacted them do not obey / comply with Federal laws that they feel take away the rights of people who are not even legally supposed to be here.??? Go figure.

 

[gkey15]

In the meantime... Ive been using a cool little device called the "Hellfire Mod Kit." Its manufactured by Juggernaut Tactical. This little kit effectively converts the standard AR platform into a fixed mag rifle but utilizes a quick release to break open the action and allows you to release the magazine. Its the quickest release I have used and also involves the least amount of modification to the rifle I've seen.

 

[gkey15]

 

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[Gordon]

Just thinking out of the box here but shotgunners have for years used charging devices to charge their fixed magazines during competition. You could have a special magazine installed which could be externally charged in a similar fashion. Such a device would be a speedloader.

Unfortunately I doubt California will ever be a free state again. It seems the powers that be are more concerned with catering to a broken and unsafe immigration system and the rights of those ILLEGAL immigrants engaged in ILLEGAL activity. I just watched as Gavin Newsom stated there is no emergency at our Southern border as he pulled the National Guard of its mission to control that same non- emergency. I truely wonder what exactly the Democrats agenda really is here in CA? They are doing their best to ban any and all semi automatic firearms from its law abiding citizens. Denying a persons rigjt to defend oneself. We are no longer allowed to even open carry so in- effect our 2nd Ammendment right to bear arms has been denied. Even more disturbing, the Ninth Circut has upheld these types of unconstitutional regulations. At the same time we are expected to comply with these new laws. The same people who enacted them do not obey / comply with Federal laws that they feel take away the rights of people who are not even legally supposed to be here.??? Go figure.

Exactly ! The unfettered immigration is the major driving force that has brought CA. to where it is . I watched it happen:violence: which brings communities to live in fear from the illegal gun violence of gangs and and drunken fights , non English speaking multi generational Balkanism with redistricting lines so the next born in the US generation votes how the ESL schools taught them. The professional race baiters that promise the race they "represent" benefits for their votes. This has been a completely successful ploy and the Dems smirk as the citizen pay for it, the big Ag and other corps give them contributions for the unlimited lowcost labor . The 9th Curcuit court of appeals is a joke, they have invalidate every proposition that was passed to stop this, just like they will against POTUS very soon And of course they need to disarm law abiding Citizens who might rise up before the Democrat Reconquista comes to pass and they have their little socialist paradise ala the third world where government officials siphon off the good life from the peons
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I would imagine one could fabricate an internal 10 round box magazine for an AR, with a removable cover on the bottom maybe like a floor plate with an attached spring and follower so the rifle could be inverted and a stripper clip, which were issued for the AR during Vietnam era , inserting 10 rounds and closing the "floorplate " with the follower engaged . However it is a ridiculous concept .

 

[gkey15]

Who told you those devices were "ATF approved"?
ATF doesn't "approve" the devices you mention, anymore than they restrict them...…….because they DON'T restrict the

Who told you those devices were "ATF approved"?
ATF doesn't "approve" the devices you mention, anymore than they restrict them...…….because they DON'T restrict them. For example: ATF doesn't prohibit bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes, collapsible stocks. Because ATF doesn't prohibit such items, they don't need to approve them.

California doesn't give a hoot what ATF's opinion is, as California law is more restrictive. If California wants to prohibit purple buttstocks, that's up to them.....but ATF isn't going to care.

Im not sure I understand what you mean. The ATF does make decisions on weather submitted devices comply with the the law or if they meet the definition of what their intended use is. Such as pistol braces, muzzle breaks etc. Maube I should of made myself more clear. The fixed mag systems such as the hellfire mod kit are acknowledged by the ATF as a legal way meet the standards and comply with CA law.

m. For example: ATF doesn't prohibit bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes, collapsible stocks. Because ATF doesn't prohibit such items, they don't need to approve them.

California doesn't give a hoot what ATF's opinion is, as California law is more restrictive. If California wants to prohibit purple buttstocks, that's up to them.....but ATF isn't going to care.

 

[gkey15]

Who told you those devices were "ATF approved"?
ATF doesn't "approve" the devices you mention, anymore than they restrict them...…….because they DON'T restrict them. For example: ATF doesn't prohibit bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes, collapsible stocks. Because ATF doesn't prohibit such items, they don't need to approve them.

California doesn't give a hoot what ATF's opinion is, as California law is more restrictive. If California wants to prohibit purple buttstocks, that's up to them.....but ATF isn't going to care.

 

[gkey15]

Who told you those devices were "ATF approved"?
ATF doesn't "approve" the devices you mention, anymore than they restrict them...…….because they DON'T restrict them. For example: ATF doesn't prohibit bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes, collapsible stocks. Because ATF doesn't prohibit such items, they don't need to approve them.

California doesn't give a hoot what ATF's opinion is, as California law is more restrictive. If California wants to prohibit purple buttstocks, that's up to them.....but ATF isn't going to care.

 

[gkey15]

Maybe you dont understand. The ATF does make decisions on firearm related devices and if they meet the definition of what its intended use is. In fact they do approve or deny a submitted mechanism such as pistol braces and or bump stocks and binary triggers on the basis of if they meet the definition of its intended use. Its called "classification." Or things like magazine locking devices and if they meet the legal definitions of such devices.In fact they just released a statement that classifications will not be made on devices anymore unless they are already installed on a firearm.

 

[Swampman]

Let's keep this simple...

Just buy a Garand.

 

[Robert]

We are not going to talk about politics, immigration, or ways to circumvent the law that may or may not be legal. Laws, like it or not, are the law and we WILL only discuss legal means of changing them.